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  • MY BABY PERCY JACKSON AND MY BABY NICO DI ANGELO LORD HAVE MERCY SOMEONE HOLD ME

    Who would win in a fight? Vote for your favorite here.

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    • Percy!

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    • I love Nico so much. He has cool under world powers can sommon zombies and shadow travel. :)

      Percy just has water. :(

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    • And? There's a lot of things you can do with water....

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    • Percy! I know Nico is extremely powerful, but he won't stand a chance. Why? Because Nico loves Percy. And with that love, he wouldn't be able to defeat him. I know some might say, "But Erick, imagine if Percy and Nico were enemies!". And you know what, that'd make things worse. You know what Percy can do to enemies, and you know what happens when he gets angry too. Since it's post-The Crown of Ptolemy, well, Percy's gotten quite a lot more powerful after those Kane-chronicles crossovers. Anyways, I'll post my reasons.

      1. Combat. This has been argued so many times, but Percy is by far, the better fighter. I'll explain my reasons of why. But let me give you a counterargument from my friend 8th, whom she and I have argued way back...I hope you remember this 8th. Before I post it, I do realise that her posts are extremely old, but nothing new has come about this specific argument, and since no one has argued if Nico or Percy is stronger, I thought it would be good to use past arguments, since there hasn't been any in a long time. Here's what she wrote:

      You cannot state that Percy is a better swordsman and combatant than Nico as a fact--we simply do not have enough evidence of that... If anything, Nico had the advantage of being able to train with skilled undead warriors whenever he pleases. Given how much Nico would have tried to please his father, I would assume that these sparring matches would be very intense... Just saying! XD

      Ok, let's stop here. Well, there is in fact more evidence that Percy is a better swordsman, since one of the ways of seeing which one is better is through feats, since it shows the power, the strength and the skill the swordsman possess, just like we know Hercules was the strongest and most powerful demigod because of his feats...I mean, how else would we know if he's powerful, if he does;t display it, and would show a lack of confidence of his strength and of himself? There are reasons why people objectively think Percy is one of the best swordman, for example, he was considered the best sword-fighter in Camp Half Blood in The Sea of Monsters, with the best sword-fighters at that time being much weaker than Percy, like Annabeth.

      I realise that some of the best combatants, like Thalia, were never known to be excellent fighters in Camp Half Blood, at least not to Luke's extent, in being the best sword-fighter in the last 300 years, like Luke was in Camp Half Blood, so it's true that my point is moot, basically. But, to be the best sword-fighter [Percy] in such a short time, in that time, with no knowledge of Thalia's feats or skill besides Annabeth saying they were "amazing monster-fighters", is quite incredible, but to be fair to Percy as well, Annabeth was shocked and impressed at what Percy was capable of doing in The Lightning Theif, like defeating 5 Ares girls in Capture the Flag.

      Anyways, let's continue hearing to what 8th has said long ago: Also, just because Percy has fought/slaughtered more monsters, gods, Titans, and Giants, that does not make him a better warrior than Nico, it merely means that Percy was in the right place at the right time, while Nico was simply never given a chance to prove himself in that regard. Hence, that cannot be used an an objective counter-argument. For instance, like Percy, Nico would have been able to hold up the entire sky, since that was not a feat of physical strength, but rather, one of willpower (which Nico has, evidenced by his survival in Tartarus), great courage (which Nico has, evidenced by him standing up to Lycaon, Kronos, Hades, and Cupid), and a true heart (which Nico has, evidenced by how loyal he is to his friends and family, and by how much he actually cares about them).

      Prove himself. This is a poor argument. Before we continue, I'll ask, what is a feat? Here it is: "An achievement that requires great courage, skill, or strength" I find this rather interesting really. There has been many moments where Nico couldn't prove himself, because of his lack of strength and combat skill, which latter on, as you read The Heroes of Olympu, you'd realise one of the reasons why he couldn't prove himself in Percy Jackson, was because he had the lack of courage, confident, luckiness, and skill, which shows the the lack of feats for Nico in Percy Jackson and The Olympians. Also, one other explanation, was that it wasn't because Percy was at the right place and time, Nico was as well, and hasn't been able to do anything as impressive as Percy has done, besides Tartarus, because of his lack of combat skill unlike Percy. I mean, let's think for a moment. Nico has fought giants before, but he needed the help of Coach Hedge, Reyna, Hylla, Thalia to fight and escape the giant, which shows that he doesn't have the combat skill to fight giants; he relies on his powers way to much, unlike Percy, who can fight without his powers. Let me ask several questions. Has Nico defeated A Titan before? No. Has he had the chance to fight them? He probably did, considering he was in Tartarus, where several titans where. Was he able to defeat him? Well, I can't answer that, but it's most likely he was defeated very easily. Let's continue that trend. Did Nico fight a Giant? Yes. Was he able to defeat one? Hell no. As I mentioned earlier, Nico first, needed a diversion to fight a giant in The Blood of Olympus, then he had the help of Reyna, Coach Hedge, Hylla to fight him, and had help from Thalia to escape, while on the other hand, Percy defeated Polybotes almost single-handedly, and fought on equal terms with the Giant Thoon, with a concussion: "Percy was back on his feet, Riptide once again in his hands. He still looked dazed. His nose was bleeding. But he seemed to be holding his own against the old giant Thoon, who had somehow reattached his hand and found his meat cleaver." Pgs. 408-409

      Did Nico take out an entire enemy army by himself, like what happened with Frank and Percy? Nope. While there were moments were he defeated a number of monsters, he has never defeated an army, which Percy did a number of times already. As for Nico's combat skills, Nico's most impressive feats are lower than Percy's, like defeating 6 Roman demigods, but with the help of some Greek demigods, which makes it less impressive, or defeating several monsters, throughout the series.

      So, Nico had all the same opportunities like Percy did, but was never able to succeed like Percy did. Why? Because Nico lacks the power and combat skill like Percy, which shows that Percy's combat skills are [mostly] unrivalled among his friends.

      Ok, the one I bolded is where I'm going to counter-argue the most. It's true, Nico has courage, he has will-power, he is loyal, but can he surpass Percy? If he can't, it shows that Nico is inferior to Percy, because once again, Percy is the stronger one, and, I realise that 8th was talking about that Nico could carry the sky, but what I argue is going to prove that even though Nico could hold the sky, it would't be the same, because Nico has less courage, less loyalty than Percy, which means, less opportunities of having impressive feats, due to not having certain qualities like others.

      Courage. 8th mentioned that Nico has great courage, which I agree. However, the main problem is the fact that we lack Nico's great courage in the first series, due to the fact of being unsure of himself, and being unstable most of the time, after his sister's death. But he did show great courage a number a times, like standing up to Hades, Kronos, Cupid. Does Nico have enough courage to surpass Percy's courage as well, which is one of the defining factors of what makes something a feat? Sadly, he doesn't, which is one of the reasons why Percy has more impressive feats=more courage. As of what we know, Percy has stood up to Kronos, Hyperion, Hades, Alkhys, Tartarus himself in incarnation, something that is even more terrifying than seeing Tartarus in it's true horror, though Percy has seen it as well, which proves my point even more. He has also stood up to Nyx, one of the most terrifying beings in the Riordanverse, and all of her children. And of course, all the monsters he has killed over the years being together, to destroy the world. He also stood up to the Arai, and even destroy dozens of them, despite knowing how terrible they were, an dhow easily they could kill them, which the almost did. With this feats, it is already known, that Percy has more courage than any other demigod, because one of the advantages of Nico is the fact that he is the son of Hades, which gives him an unfair advantage of not being scared of the darkness and the underworld, something Percy is terrified of. Nico himself said that that not even a son of Hades can survive in Tartarus, implying that Sons/daughters of Hades are more prone to the underworld, Tartarus, than all demigods, because of the fact that darkness doesn't affect them.

      Let's continue. Loyalty. I don't even really have to explain over here. Percy's fatal flaw is loyalty, which means his loyalty surpasses everyone, since that is his major flaw, and what causes many troubles, but as well as being the redeeming factor and saving grace in many problems that have been caused, which if it weren't for Percy, the world would be destroyed. But on the other hand, it has been told, that the world would be destroyed, because of Percy's loyalty, which show how high the stakes are if Percy didn't stop his fatal flaw, implying that there is no one out there that has more loyalty than Percy, since loyalty defines Percy.

      Here's what 8th said as well: But it would only be logical for that to be the case, since Percy was the main character of the first series (him being the title character!), and one of the legendary Seven Heroes of Olympus, while Nico di Angelo was, sadly, always a somewhat secondary character in comparison, and featured far less in both series as a whole :(((. But, as I have stated before - just because Percy has more feats, the fact that Nico has never been in most of those situations in and of itself does not indicate that he would have fared less than Percy (unless the situation could only be overcome with hydrokinesis, such as escaping the exploding Princess Andromeda quickly enough to survive, or defending oneself against the attacks of 2 water deities while underwater). Hence, since we lack a decent amount of feats from Nico (due to him not being in the right place at the right time, so to speak), we can only attempt to draw logical conclusions from what we do know.

      One again, Nico has been in the right places at the right time just like Percy has, meaning this argument didn't think well enough. One of the reasons why Nico lacked a decent amount of feats in the first series was the fact that he didn't have the strength, the will-power, the courage, the stability and oneness of a calm mind and power to prove himself a lot, which was his fault, and which Percy didn't have at all, giving him more of a chance to have more feats.

      The Point is, as far as we know, Nico hasn't defeated anyone as powerful as Percy has,, for Percy is THE HERUCLES of his time, for he defeated all the big ones, that past heroes of have defeated, while Nico, gets the bad luck, Because if Percy is the Hercules of now, and and got all the godly feats of the other heroes, it's hard to say that Nico, just isn't as as good as Percy combat-wise, courage-wise, loyalty-wise, strength-wise, as Percy has become to great and powerful For Percy is the greatest hero of his time. In the entire series, Nico never defeated a titan, god, or gains, while Percy did, which shows the fact that despite Nico's powers, his combat level is just not on Percy's level. Also, there is no way we can defend Nico of not being able to defeat a Titan, Giant or major monster, since he had the chance.

      While Percy on the other hand, has defeated monsters, giants and titans, much more bigger and stronger than him. And yes, Giants and monsters far more powerful and stronger than Nico has ever defeated, at least some of them. The following including:

      • Defeated and injured Ares, at the age of 12, with barely to almost no training. This is by far, one of the greatest feats of any demigod, for Percy barely knew anything about sword-fighting, and was able to fight him in a very long duel, ultimately defeating him.
      • Defeated and injured Polyphemus, single-handedly, while being out of practiced in The Sea of Monsters. Once again, Percy is able to defeat a Cyclops, that was " 15 feet tall" and much more powerful than him. Once again, Percy defeats(and almost kills) and other powerful being, while being "out of practiced".
      • Percy also defeated, injured and killed Anateus, in The Battle of the Labyrinth, with just his sword.
      • Easily over-powered Phobos, a minor god, in a matter of seconds, forcing The God Phobos to run away from Percy, in The Demigod Files.
      • Battled Kronos, the most powerful Titan, in a very long duel, with instances were- " With a yell, I kicked his legs out from under him. The Scythe skittered across the pavement" Percy was powerful enough that Kronos' Scythe was knocked out of Kronos hands (And remember, both Kronos and Percy had The Curse of Achilles, so this was a very fair fight. I realize that Kronos was not at his strongest, and Percy was, but compared to the others, including Krios, the Titans looked like babies compared to Kronos).
      • Percy has defeated/ Killed/ Stood his ground with others, such as Polybotes, Otis, Ephialtes, Thoon, Hades, Ahklys, Setne, Hercules, Iapetus, Cacus etc.

      As for his powers, well, Percy has a very diverse abilities to do with water, such as trapping, grabbing, solidifying, throwing, and healing. Plus, he can summon Hurricanes so powerful, such as these: "Entire cul-de-sac was engulfed in a hurricane. Percy stood at the edge, unmoved, but the water was churning so fast now that even the giant crocodile lost his footing. Wrecked cars scraped along the pavement. Mailboxes were pulled out of lawns and swept away. The water increased in volume as well as speed, rising up and turning the entire neighborhood into a liquid centrifuge. It was my turn to be stunned. A few moments ago I had decided Percy was no magician. Yet I'd never seen a magician who could control so much water."

      I think this shows powerful Percy's hurricanes are. These type of hurricanes that Percy summon, can deflect the bones Nico summons, or the number of the dead he can summon, since Percy can fight while having his hurricanes defending him, meaning his hurricanes are basically his defence power. The quote above is a perfect example of how powerful Percy's hurricanes are and can be.

      Also, thanks to a user here, since I'm a bit to lazy after writing so much, but Percy is also much more resistant than Nico, such as:

      • Percy was able to withstand the curses laid upon him in TARTARUS:
      • An arrow throught three hearts (Geryon)
      • Gorgon blood (deadly poison) (Phones)
      • and dozens more at the same time....

      Also, if companions can be included, Nico's shadow travel is basically useless. But if we can't, well, I have already explained how Nico can;t shadow travel very short distances, unlike Hazel with her Mist Travel...Like I explained in the other thread in Leo Valdez vs Nico: You guys keep mentioning Nico's Shadow Travel as an advantage. I know Shadow Travel is great, but I've wondered, can Nico Shadow Travel short distances? Throughout the series, he has only been shadow Traveling long distances- several to hundreds to thousands of miles. I know that just because it has never happened, doesn't mean Nico can't do it. But, if find it rather weird. If Nico can Shadow Travel short distances, like in battle, why hasn't he done it yet? Has it not occurred to him yet? Or is Shadow Travel only meant, for well, traveling long distances? Can Nico disappear and reappear in the shadows like Hazel does with her Mist Travel Powers? If Nico can, then it is certainly an advantage over Leo. But if he can't Shadow Travel very short distances (Appearing and Disappearing instantly Like Hazel), while it can't be consider as an advantage, since it would be useless in battle. So, can Nico, Shadow Travel very short distances?

      And like some mentioned: The idea of Nico shadow-traveling short distances are quiet low, like Viral said: The chances of this suddenly occurring to him in this in battle may be quite low.

      While some mentioned the fact that Nico won't waste to much energy shadow-traveling short distances, it's still unknown on how much energy he has to use to reappear and disappear, with all those atoms he has.

      I'll rest my case for now, and forgive me for my low-quality post if I did one, and for writing an extremely long one. But I knew it was coming, so I had to give my best try in a very short time.

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    • Holy crap, that wall of text. It's like you were prepared.

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    • Nico, he can get an army of skeletons to fight for him, That could distract Percy and Nico could kill him while he is distracted.

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    • MajickPizza wrote: Holy crap, that wall of text. It's like you were prepared.

      Yeah, sorry. I was prepared, but I did;t have the time to write everything I wanted. What do you think?

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    • let not forget how much Nico's powers drain him, enough to make Percy comment on them, admittedly this was from when Nico was 12 but still, Percy had also been using his powers when he was that age and from what Nico displayed Percy considered it minimal use or at least not enough to be that tired. And lets not forget that Percy incapacitated Nico while not being fully awake. And from a post above, Nico has fought a titan, as he was present when fighting Iapetus in the sword of Hades although yes that was when he was a lot younger. Nico and percy are each compared to nuclear bombs and from what we have seen we can safely assume that nico is and expert combatant, maybe not in percy's league but still pretty high.

      edit: erick i hadn't seen most of your post

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    • AACM12 wrote: let not forget how much Nico's powers drain him, enough to make Percy comment on them, admittedly this was from when Nico was 12 but still, Percy had also been using his powers when he was that age and from what Nico displayed Percy considered it minimal use or at least not enough to be that tired. And lets not forget that Percy incapacitated Nico while not being fully awake. And from a post above, Nico has fought a titan, as he was present when fighting Iapetus in the sword of Hades although yes that was when he was a lot younger. Nico and percy are each compared to nuclear bombs and from what we have seen we can safely assume that nico is and expert combatant, maybe not in percy's league but still pretty high.

      edit: erick i hadn't seen most of your post

      It's ok. I know I wrote to much, I tried to counter-argue almost all the points, from many threads, like Nico's Shadow Travel, to feats, to Percy's powers, combat, almost everything. I do not want this fight to be biased, like the other threads.

      As for Percy incapacitating Nico not being fully awake, it really shows his awareness even when he's half asleep, an as for Nico fighting Iapetus, well, Percy was younger as well, and was able to defeat him, despite being badly injured which Nico nor Thalia was, which is another example of Percy's great combat skills and battle awareness.

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    • Erick.baez.773 wrote:

      MajickPizza wrote: Holy crap, that wall of text. It's like you were prepared.

      Yeah, sorry. I was prepared, but I did;t have the time to write everything I wanted. What do you think?

      It was great, though a little too long tbh.It was like the info was shoved into my brain despite me already knowing about 3/4, maybe more, of those facts.

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    • i've read it now, the thing was that i had written what i wanted to say but i forgot to post and when i returned simply posted and then i noticed your "wall of text", so i edited just to point out that when i wrote it i hadn't taken what you said into account.

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    • MajickPizza wrote:

      Erick.baez.773 wrote:

      MajickPizza wrote: Holy crap, that wall of text. It's like you were prepared.

      Yeah, sorry. I was prepared, but I did;t have the time to write everything I wanted. What do you think?

      It was great, though a little too long tbh.It was like the info was shoved into my brain despite me already knowing about 3/4, maybe more, of those facts.

      Well, it's not about if you knew it or not, but to clarify many things, so people can think this carefully, since this could be the hardest Percy fight yet, even worse than Percy VS Jason perhaps, especially since many people like Nico, and think he's the strongest, perhaps after Percy.

      @AACM12: Really guys, you don;t have to read my post if you don't want to. I just want a unbiased debate, since lately the debates have become to personal and biased. Forgive me if I have been biased though.

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    • I'm really not sure at all about this...Percy can regenerate through water but Nico could create undead minions...

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    • If Nico's 100 percent stands after this fight, I would be very surprised. I going for a tie.

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    • I don't think so CTB, his 100% will be reduced by the time this fight is over. Percy wins, being the superior combatant, as Erick has stated above, and having far more experience using his powers. The effort of using most of his powers significantly drains Nico, leaving him open for the kill. Percy wins 8/8.

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    • I'll have to support Nico on this one xD

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    • 8th Hero of Olympus wrote: I'll have to support Nico on this one xD

      That was never a surprise since you hate Percy and think him overrated and obnoxious. It's becoming your trademark.

      @ MeatFace

      Yeah that's what I was saying that I would be very surprised if Nico's hundred percent stands cause Percy would either win or they'd tie.

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    • I waited for this fight years !

      Anyway, if it is a sword to sword battle of course it is Percy.

      But about powers - don't underestimate Nico. He can crack the earth, and send people sleep (BoO), sometimes to summon undead warriors and lastly - and rarily - he can ghostify. Surely, he has a short Spamina. but he's equal to Percy. If the fight is with the Diocletian Scepter so Nico surely wins.

      I vote for Nico, just to balance all the people who vote for Percy for every fight he fight.

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    • I still going for a tie. For a moment Nico was winning but Percy is never behind for long. Both are level with 4 votes so far.

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    • and why would nico have the diocletian scepter, it doesn't even work anymore

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    • oooh this is good

      both are very powerful, so it's a hard choice. in the titan's curse, when nico was still very young and inexperienced with this abilities, he was able to open up a crack in the ground and have underwordly stuff come attack percy. but i feel like nico's abilities drain him much more than percy's, and since percy is able to draw his strength from water when he gets tired, i'm going to go with percy on this one.

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    • Another thing people aren't mentioning is how smart Percy is. Although, in series, they call him stupid in a number of ways he is anything but. In the Lightning Thief at Crusty's bed place, he not only came up with a way to save Annabeth and Grover, he lied so easily and well that Crusty was tricked into lying down in his own bed.

      Again, in the Lightning Thief, the reason Percy was able to injure Ares is because he outsmarted him in battle. Percy led Ares to a terrain he knew he'd be stronger in (the ocean) while pretending to be weak and playing to Ares arrogance. It wasn't pure battle skill that let Percy win the battle. It was his intelligence and wits. It's sad everyone forgets this as right before the battle, Annabeth even stated, "Even strength has to bow to wisdom sometimes" or something along those lines.

      With Antaeus, Percy quickly figured out how the giant was staying alive and figured out that he simply needed to get him off the ground to kill him to prevent him from regenerating. So, once again, Percy manipulated his opponent by playing to their weakness (Antaeus pride in his own battle skills) and lured them into a trap. Percy then, inventively, tangled Antaeus with all of the chains to restrain him.

      Percy knows of Nico's crush on him as of BoO. If Percy is in a full out battle and is willing to do anything to win, he'll simply use Nico's crush on him to his advantage. If you want to say Nico, "got over it" I'd say no. Nobody gets over a three year crush by simply telling the person they like, "Isn't [their] type."

      So, not only is Percy a near equal to Luke, the most skilled swordsman in 300 years, Percy is also extremely intelligent and strategic.

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    • ^ Thank you very much. That is for me @ 8th who indicated in another thread that Percy was dumb. I think I'll play referee again like in the Hazel vs Jason thread. It was fun. Let's get one thing straight, in order not to be inconsistent which irritates me.

      Oh boy all of a sudden Percy is pulling away, winning by 11 votes to 6.

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    • Commander Tool Belt wrote:

      8th Hero of Olympus wrote: I'll have to support Nico on this one xD

      That was never a surprise since you hate Percy and think him overrated and obnoxious. It's becoming your trademark.

      Exactly. So much for calling us Percy fanboys the other time...if she does't want to be seen as a hypocrite or contradicting herself every time, at least she could say her reasons why she thinks Nico wins...plus, she basically is the only one who is supporting the "popularity contest". Smh.

      @Warriorfan123, basically with what you say, you are even proving my point of why Percy wins even more, so I thank you for that. (I realise you are supporting Percy, but let me clarify of what you said). You said that in The Titan's Curse, when Nico was very young, he was able to crack the group, right? But, in the Lighting Theif, when Percy was quite young, but to be fair a bit older than Percy though, but was just as inexpiernced as him, he was able to:

      • Defeat Luke in swordsmanship class (and yes, I realise he was doused with water, but he didn't know that)
      • Defeated the Minotaur
      • Defeated all the furies, in the same book
      • Defeated Clarisse and 4 other Ares girls
      • Held is own against Ares single-handedly

      This was only to show you several examples, that saying Nico was powerful right from the start, doesn't mean Percy wasn't either. I do realise that Percy is the main character, but not even Nico himself at the age of 12 could be on par with Percy when he was 12, power-wise and combat-wise.

      @Mr. Reporter

      Nico doesn't have the diocletian scepter, so that's useless and pointless, like AACM12 mentioned.

      @VideaPhoenix

      I completely agree.

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    • The one thing I wanted to make clear earlier is this:

      This is a fight between Nico and Percy without help from outside parties. We can thank 8th for making that rule in the Leo vs Nico thread. If you want to confirm that I not bluffing, go there.

      I afraid that means no hellhounds or sparti, (skeleton warriors) for Nico.

      If anyone says anything partaking to that effect, just quote that. Carry on. 📣📣📣

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    • Commander Tool Belt wrote: The one thing I wanted to make clear earlier is this:

      This is a fight between Nico and Percy without help from outside parties. We can thank 8th for making that rule in the Leo vs Nico thread. If you want to confirm that I not bluffing, go there.

      I afraid that means no hellhounds or sparti, (skeleton warriors) for Nico.

      If anyone says anything partaking to that effect, just quote that. Carry on. 📣📣📣

      If that's true, that Nico will never win, never. One of his main advantages over demigods was him summon skeleton warriors. But you're right, that's cheating, and the skeleton warriors are basically helping him. Well, poor Nico, Without that, he doesn't have much to fight Percy.

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    • Oh, I sure someone would come up with something.

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    • He does. You forget he can ghostify people. and by the time his power drained, Percy is already a ghost. I don't say it's easy but he is equal to - if not stronger than Percy.

      Also, if it is a sword to sword battle so don't do battles with Percy included - the only one has a chance against his swordmanship is Luke.

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    • Mr.reporter wrote: He does. You forget he can ghostify people. and by the time his power drained, Percy is already a ghost. I don't say it's easy but he is equal to - if not stronger than Percy.

      Yeah, he has to be very angry, even more when Percy almost blood-bended. And honestly, your bias is already showing. Nico almost died ghostifying Bryce, in fact, he was in a coma for 3 days, so your point isn't very solid at all.

      Before you start adding Nico's impressive feats, and what he can do, you have to see the consequences first and how it will affect Nico, Nico's powers drain him to much, unlike Percy, who can be in water as long as he like, will be healed, and will have twice more power, unlike Nico.

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    • Mr.reporter wrote: He does. You forget he can ghostify people. and by the time his power drained, Percy is already a ghost. I don't say it's easy but he is equal to - if not stronger than Percy.

      Also, if it is a sword to sword battle so don't do battles with Percy included - the only one has a chance against his swordmanship is Luke.

      Sorry, I know I meant to be just referee but remember Nico has to get quite close to do that, which Percy can effectively repel by creating the giant water hands and grabbing him then drowning him. Or blasting him with water. Or slamming riptide into the ground and creating an earthquake. Therefore, Nico won't want to get too close.

      But honestly I just neutral, and I still think it would be a tie. Carry on. 📣📣📣📣

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    • Even if after the ghostifying Nico will be in a coma, Percy will be a ghost. If he does gets angry enough - I don't think Percy could prevent it.Remember,before he ghostifyed Bryce, he was unable to control everything Underworldy.So if even without underworld power he's able to ghostify someone, I think that even if he can't summon anything, he still could defeat percy.

      Please anyone - before you judge look on each fighter's page and look on the abilities.

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    • Mr.reporter wrote: Even if after the ghostifying Nico will be in a coma, Percy will be a ghost. If he does gets angry enough - I don't think Percy could prevent it.Remember,before he ghostifyed Bryce, he was unable to control everything Underworldy.So if even without underworld power he's able to ghostify someone, I think that even if he can't summon anything, he still could defeat percy.

      Please anyone - before you judge look on each fighter's page and look on the abilities.

      Yes, but you're simply speculating. No one knows if Nico can do that again, since he was in a different situation, which was to save his friends desperately. This is the same problem with shadow travel, there are some things that are uncertain, and can't be consider as facts. Hell, people consider Percy blood bending as if it were impossible, yet there is a decent amount of evidence that Percy can control liquids in a being's body in or outside, in normal or abnormal circumstances.

      Plus, Nico wouldn't do something that stupid either.

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    • Mr.reporter wrote: Even if after the ghostifying Nico will be in a coma, Percy will be a ghost. If he does gets angry enough - I don't think Percy could prevent it.Remember,before he ghostifyed Bryce, he was unable to control everything Underworldy.So if even without underworld power he's able to ghostify someone, I think that even if he can't summon anything, he still could defeat percy.

      Please anyone - before you judge look on each fighter's page and look on the abilities.

      Percy can simply make Nico lose his concentration, by doing literally anything, like summoning hurricanes, summoning giant-water hands, or even trapping him in water. Also, the Nico's page, abilities section does' say much about his Ghost Transformation, besides doing it to Bryce.

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    • ^^ Also unlike Nico when ghostifying Bryce, when Percy blood-bended the goddess he didn't feel weak afterwards, he felt more powerful than he ever was “His whole body tingled with power, but the anger was subsiding.”

      Excerpt From: Rick Riordan. “The House of Hades.” iBooks.

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    • AACM12 wrote: ^^ Also unlike Nico when ghostifying Bryce, when Percy blood-bended the goddess he didn't feel weak afterwards, he felt more powerful than he ever was “His whole body tingled with power, but the anger was subsiding.”

      Excerpt From: Rick Riordan. “The House of Hades.” iBooks.

      Exactly. Imagine if he continued...ppl already consider him super op after that.

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    • We've already agreed Nico would have to go close and he cannot since Percy would grab him with water hands and drown him or cause an earthquake or just blast hi with water. Agreed. Carry on to another aspect of the fight unless someone has a way that is sensible in which Nico can ghostify Percy.

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    • Commander Tool Belt wrote: We've already agreed Nico would have to go close and he cannot since Percy would grab him with water hands and drown him or cause an earthquake or just blast hi with water. Agreed. Carry on to another aspect of the fight unless someone has a way that is sensible in which Nico can ghostify Percy.

      To be fair, didn't I cover most already? Shadow Travel is already out as well, since we will not bring the topic again about the "If Nico can or can't shadow travel short distances" So that's out as well.

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    • If Nico could ghostify percy he wouldn't want to because of his crush on him.

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    • not about that - he can also freeze and send people to dream. remember that. look at his other abilities. I just wanna make it a fair fight - I believe it is a tie. Beside, about Percy doing that to Phorcys... how we know for sure that Nico is unable to do that ? remember, Nico didn't need because he had so much misery so she let him go.just make it a tie.

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    • Mr.reporter wrote: not about that - he can also freeze and send people to dream. remember that. look at his other abilities. I just wanna make it a fair fight - I believe it is a tie. Beside, about Percy doing that to Phorcys... how we know for sure that Nico is unable to do that ? remember, Nico didn't need because he had so much misery so she let him go.just make it a tie.

      Yes, and how can Nico do it without concentration? I know you want me do make it a tie, but there aren't very convincing arguments to make me change my mind. Percy;s hurricanes can do almost anything to stop Nico. Also, Percy can Blood-bend, you think he can't destroy his body?

      So, in general:

      Combat: Percy

      Power-wise: Percy, because Shadow-travel and summoning skeletons warriors/ the dead can't be included, since that's cheating (And I already mentioned why Nico can't shadow travel in battle) And, Nico's other powers can be deflected by Percy's hurricanes, water-powers, and did you know he has other tricks, like the mist, etc?

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    • I'm supporting Percy, but I'd just like to point out that Percy can't control blood. He controls water, not all liquids. 

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    • ^ He does however control anything that has water in it hence he controls poison, and this wiki has come to the conclusion that he should be able to control blood as well.

      Percy still leads by 12 votes to seven.

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    • He's never done it before, and I think it'd require a lot of mental concentration, and therefore would be needing a lot of time as well... time he won't have if Nico is fighting him. 

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    • Mr.reporter wrote:
      not about that - he can also freeze and send people to dream. remember that. look at his other abilities. I just wanna make it a fair fight - I believe it is a tie. Beside, about Percy doing that to Phorcys... how we know for sure that Nico is unable to do that ? remember, Nico didn't need because he had so much misery so she let him go.just make it a tie.

      OK people since I am here  get ready to counter

      please don't take my username affecting my opinion

      listen Percy and nico are both very powerful people here okay but without his skeletons guy is do

      One OK ghostifying people he had to have strength lended to him from reyna did wevp forget that? Now sending him to  dream state I remember Nico A being asleep to do that unless I missed something correct me if I am wrong and B I thought he was able to travel through dreams now his regular powers umm ENERGY  Can Nick just heal himself with bones when he is tired which most likely will be soon

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    • Warriorfan123 wrote: I'm supporting Percy, but I'd just like to point out that Percy can't control blood. He controls water, not all liquids. 

      The Mark of Athena seems to disagree with you: "Piper," Percy said. "I can help." He knelt next to her and touched Jason's forehead. Water gushed from Jason's mouth."

      If Percy can take out water and control water from Jason's lungs with a mere touch, would't it be logical that he can control it from the inside, which he already did, by taking out that water from his lungs, which is inside his body?

      And if you still aren't convinced, here's another example from The House of Hades: "Oh, good, Percy thought. More water. Percy imagined her nose and throat filling with her own tears. Akhlys gagged. "I-" The tide of venom reached her feet, sizzling like droplets on a hot iron. She wailed and stumbled back..."Stop..." [Annabeth] pleaded, her voice hoarse."

      Please, don't ignore the facts here. What this says is Percy is drowning Akhlys from her own tears, and is choking her from her own tears...which is liquid from her body? And that is while Percy is still controlling the poison, and poison vapour?

      So, he can do all of this in a single moment?: Control Akhlys' tears and drown her, control the lake of poison, and controlling the poison vapour, and you think Percy needs tons of concentration to only control liquids from beings?

      And here is another example of Percy controlling liquid that isn't water: "An entire phalanx of Cyclopes charged forward, knocking smaller monsters out of the way. Annabeth figured she was about to die. "It had to be Cyclopes," she grumbled. Percy gave a battle cry. At the Cyclopes' feet, a red vein in the ground burst open, spraying the monsters with liquid fire from the Phlegethon."

      So, he can control salt water, fresh water, icy/frozen water, poison, liquid fire from the Phlegethon, Styx water, which is a type of water that he supposedly can't control, where it the example is: "I yelled, and the River Styx exploded. A black tidal wave smashed into the Roman legionaries. Spears and shields flew everywhere. Roman zombies began to dissolve, smoke coming off their bronze helmets."

      Also, about the Nico's dream, did you know that even if Percy is asleep, he has combat skills, and environmental awareness so good, that he did this to Nico in The Last Olympian?: "A foot the size of Yankee stadium was about to smash me when a voice hissed, "Percy!" I lunged out blindly. Before I was fully awake, I had Nico pinned to the floor of the cell with the edge of my sword at his throat."

      @Thea Jackson Percys Sister: You are completely right. Reyna lend Nico strength to go against Bryce. Here's what happened: "Then he locked eyes with Reyna. Her strength surged through him- a wave of courage and resilience that made him feel substantial again, anchored to the mortal world. Even surrounded by the dead and facing execution, Reyna Ramirez-Arellano had a huge reservoir of bravery to share. "Nico," She said. "Do what you need to do. I've got your back."

      So Nico wouldn't have been able to do that against Bryce, turn him into a ghost, without the power of Reyna.

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    • To be frank, Percy is extremely dangerous in fights since even a water bottle can rejuvenate him and even enhance his power. In lightening thief I recall him pouring water on himself from a water bottle and he was able to defeat Luke quite easily.

      Nico, however cannot rejuvenate himself. Massive disadvantage there. But I still think it's a tie.

      Anyway, on the Bloodbending let's take a vote:

      Should Percy be allowed to bloodbend? Winner is best out of Five.

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    • I don't see why it matters, he stomps Nico anyway. I would say he should. 1/5 for bloodbending.

      Also 8th, please go past your bias and actually give solid facts on why who your supporting would win. You said earlier that you side with Nico, yet you didn't give any facts on why he would win.

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    • 1 vote for bloodbending. 1/5 votes.

      Speaking of votes Percy is starting to leave Nico in the dust, leading by seven votes, fifteen to eight.

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    • Oh! God damn it

      Percy vs Nico? Really I can't choose.

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    • I still disagree about blood, but it's really not worth arguing over, because Percy still beats Nico anyway. 

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    • can't we just do water vs. death.

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    • Erick, have you done a P.H.D. in this subject?


      Anyways, Nico once stated in SoN that Percy is the most powerful demigod he has ever seen.

      And also, Percy can rejuvenate himself with a bottle of water.

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    • Commander Tool Belt wrote: 1 vote for bloodbending. 1/5 votes.

      Speaking of votes Percy is starting to leave Nico in the dust, leading by seven votes, fifteen to eight.

      Another vote from me, obviously. 2/5.

      @Utkar22: LOL. Why do you say that?

      @Warriorfan123: Fair enough. But I am showing you evidence that Percy can control liquids that aren't just water, e.g. the examples I showed you. I understand that there isn't a lot of evidence, so it won't convince you, but Riordan clearly showed that Percy control a variety of liquids.

      @Commmander Tool Belt: That's one of the reasons why I think Percy wins. If this is one the beach, or even in the lake, Percy can be in the water most of the time, and will never get tired, unlike Nico, who would. That's a major advantage, especially when Nico gets to tired to quickly.

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    • @Erick since you know a lot on this subject.


      But wasn't Percy's ability to control other liquids only in Tatarus?

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    • Utkar22 wrote: @Erick since you know a lot on this subject.


      But wasn't Percy's ability to control other liquids only in Tatarus?

      Actually, no, though, only Percy thought if he could do that in Tartarus. Percy was able to control poison before The House of Hades, Percy already had limited Cryokinesis, Percy was able to control liquids in a human body before The House of Hades as well (e.g. take out the water from Jason's lung's in MoA). But to be fair, I think all this pointed towards The House of Hades, and when I mean by that, I mean the potential to control other liquids, which we see it as confirmed in The House of Hades, and at it's prime (for now, since we don't have any other books of Percy), when Percy almost destroy the Misery Goddess. So yeah, Percy can control other liquids, tho House of Hades made his powers much more powerful (control over other liquids) and dangerous...

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    • Yeah. 3/5 votes. 2 for and 1 against bloodbending.

      Nico has closed the gap to six votes now, Percy with fifteen and Nico with 9.

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    • Commander Tool Belt wrote: Yeah. 3/5 votes. 2 for and 1 against bloodbending.

      Nico has closed the gap to six votes now, Percy with fifteen and Nico with 9.

      Oh yea, put 16 now, since I forgot to put my vote, lol.

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    • I say no blood bending.

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    • Wow, wow, wow! That is now 4/5 votes 2 for and 2 against bloodbending. Next vote wins!

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    • I vote against blood bending. put it off from Percy's advantages.

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    • Awwww! 2 votes for but 3 votes against bloodbending so no bloodbending for Percy, I'm afraid. Sorry. But anyway...

      Now the lead has been extended back to seven, Percy on 16 Nico in 9.

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    • Commander Tool Belt wrote: Awwww! 2 votes for but 3 votes against bloodbending so no bloodbending for Percy, I'm afraid. Sorry. But anyway...

      Now the lead has been extended back to seven, Percy on 16 Nico in 9.

      Well, no one has has still haven't given very convincing arguments (at least to me, but I could be stubborn), so I say that Percy wins with or without blood bending.

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    • I will give  you because I write a complete list of disadvantages and advantages of both Percy and Nico.

      Here :

      Both Percy and Nico have Geokinesis (control of the earth). yet Nico's Geokinesis is much stronger.

      They also both have  limited Cryokinesis (control of ice).

      while Percy has control of hurricanes (Atmokinesis), Nico has the Osteokinesis (control of bones).

      while Percy has control of the sea, Nico has the power of both Umbrakinesis (shadow) and the power of Hypnokinesis, being able to make peoples sleep.

      Percy has limited power of Toxikinesis but I'm pretty sure we just said that a fight with Toxikinesis is unfair just like summoning skeletons (Necromancy).

      while Percy use the enemy weaknesses on battle, Nico has a very strong endurance against pain.

      while Percy is the best swordman in 300 years, Nico can radiate fear.

      by this time they are equal.

      and though Nico have a short use of his power, he has the power to ghostify.  he can ghostify Percy and then fall to sleep.If Percy has more experience in battle so Nico can summon both skeletons and ghosts, and release souls of people who cheat death.

      I believe Nico has more advantages.

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    • I believe you do not see the full extent of Percy's powers.

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    • Mr.reporter wrote: I will give  you because I write a complete list of disadvantages and advantages of both Percy and Nico.

      Here :

      Both Percy and Nico have Geokinesis (control of the earth). yet Nico's Geokinesis is much stronger.

      They also both have  limited Cryokinesis (control of ice).

      while Percy has control of hurricanes (Atmokinesis), Nico has the Osteokinesis (control of bones).

      while Percy has control of the sea, Nico has the power of both Umbrakinesis (shadow) and the power of Hypnokinesis, being able to make peoples sleep.

      Percy has limited power of Toxikinesis but I'm pretty sure we just said that a fight with Toxikinesis is unfair just like summoning skeletons (Necromancy).

      while Percy use the enemy weaknesses on battle, Nico has a very strong endurance against pain.

      while Percy is the best swordman in 300 years, Nico can radiate fear.

      by this time they are equal.

      and though Nico have a short use of his power, he has the power to ghostify.  he can ghostify Percy and then fall to sleep.If Percy has more experience in battle so Nico can summon both skeletons and ghosts, and release souls of people who cheat death.

      I believe Nico has more advantages.

      Okay, first of all, they Commander already said that Nico can't summon skeletons/ghosts, since they are companions, like Blackjack and Ms. O'leary, so that's out already.

      Percy has much more control of Cryokinesis, since he can actually control it, unlike Nico, so that's an advantage for Percy already.

      Percy's hurricanes can deflect all the bones Nico summons, so that's out as well, since Percy's hurricanes can be used as a defense, as he has done a number of times. Plus, I already showed you who powerful his hurricanes can be, so deflecting multiple bones won't be nothing, since his hurricanes have deflected stronger things...Plus, Percy can summon shields of water like he did in The Last Olympian.

      As for shadows, I already explained that Nico can't use Shadow travel, so that's out as well.

      As for endurance, I've already shown that Percy is much more resistant to Nico, unless you didn't read my post...

      As for Geokinesis, that advantage is mostly only available underground, since Nico almost never does it above ground...Plus, it is unknown if Percy has it, though it's possible that he does have some control. Here's what the wiki says: It is unknown if Percy Jackson truly has some degree of this ability. The eruption he caused on Mount Saint Helens during the Battle of the Labyrinth was a result of a large explosion of water. He also makes fissures by stabbing Riptide in the ground, [1][2] but it is unknown if this was caused by Percy, Riptide, or the structure was simply weak enough to crack.

      Anyways, with or without the ability, geokinesis wouldn't be so useful, since Percy would most likely fight in the ocean or be, Nico is in a disadvantage already.

      As for Nico radiating fear, Percy has never been afraid of him, only concerned, despite Frank and Jason being afraid of him. I'll also mention Percy has seen much things worse than Nico's fear aura, so that won't affect him, especially since he can fight still despite being very afraid, like shown in The House of Hades.

      As for Nico ghostifying, I'll say that's even more unfair since Percy can't blood bend now (Ghostifying should be cancelled as well), since he only did that once, almost died if it weren't for Coach Hedge, received tons of strength from Reyna, had to be extremely angry...so that won't be able to happen so easily, like you think, also, it's even more limited than Percy controlling poisons.

      Percy is the best in combat, but also has much more environmental/battle awareness than Nico, meaning, Percy asleep can cause him to awake if she senses danger, like the example I gave in The Last Olympian and more intelligent that him in combat, so, that's is more than simply being the best swordsman.

      Also, you are really limiting Percy water-powers, since he can trap, grab, solidify...

      Also, the reason why Nico can't summon skeletons/ghosts is because they are considered companions, since they help him, so it wouldn't be fair, unless Percy can have Blackjack than.

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    • Erick.baez.773 wrote:

      Percy's hurricanes can deflect all the bones Nico summons, so that's out as well, since Percy's hurricanes can be used as a defense, as he has done a number of times. Plus, I already showed you who powerful his hurricanes can be, so deflecting multiple bones won't be nothing, since his hurricanes have deflected stronger things...Plus, Percy can summon shields of water like he did in The Last Olympian.

      Plus, Percy can deflect and dodge Bullets and arrows with just his sword too, I think bones won't be a problem.

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    • I ALREADY SAID THIS ON MY BLOG POST IT IS A 50 50 FIGHT NICO IS YOUNGER AND LESS EXPERIENCED BUT HE IS POWERFUL HE HAS GEOKENISES AND CAN CONTROL BONES HE CAN SEND DEAD PEOPLE TO SLEEP AND HE CAN ALSO SUMMON THEN HE CAN CONTROL SHADOWS ALSO BEING ABLE TO TRAVEL THROUGH THEM.

      PERCY IS OLDER AND MORE EXPERIENCED AND HE WAS THE BEST SWORDFIGHTER IN CAMP WHEN LUKE PERCY HAS POWER OVER WATER AND HE CAN CREATE SOME WITH HIS OWN ENERGY .WHEN HE IS IN/STANDING IN WATER HER HAS INCREASED STRENGH AND AGILITY BEING ABLE TO DEFEAT ARES WHEN HE WAS FIGHTING HIM. PERCY CAN SUMMON HIS PERSONAL HURRICANE AND WIND STORMS HE ALSO CAN CONTROL OTHER LIQUIDS OTHER THAN WATER HE CAN HEAL HIMSELF WHILE TOUCHING WATER

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    • Please edit that and take all the caps out. It makes it hard to read. Also, not that important, but work on the grammar. That entire post is 2 sentences.

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    • For the final time no Sparti for Nico. I really do not want to see anything partaking to that effect anymore.

      Oh my in just one night, Nico has closed the gap to four votes! Percy remains on 16, but Nico is up to 12. The fight is getting a bit tight now.

      Carry on! 📣📣📣

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    • OKay, so no spartans for Nico and No ghostifying for him either than that would mean Percy could bloodbend. so other than that...  advantages? because i am not so sure that Nico can send people to sleep. So now all he has is fight and animating ghost while percy has solidyfying water and aiming it at nico water fists , water that solidfys to block Nico's bones um whirlwinds while fighting being able to cause hurricanes, explosions like in mount helens and that is not even all of his powers, so tell me the advantages Nico has over that please

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    • I think Nico could summon skeletons to fight Percy. Skeletons can't die they are already dead.

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    • but the can break apart just like they did when percy fought them by himself in a whirlwind in the SoN

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    • Slytherin Villain wrote: I think Nico could summon skeletons to fight Percy. Skeletons can't die they are already dead.

      How many times has it been stated that this is a fight between Nico and Percy without help from outside parties? It would be way unfair and would tilt fights in favour if someone. Heck, if help from outside parties were allowed Leo would have a 100 percent record in his fights.

      Please endeavour to look a little higher to see if what you want to say has already been said before posting. Thank you.

      Yours sincerely,

      Referee Commander Tool Belt

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    • I don't understand what bloodbending is...

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    • You control blood. And by controlling that you can control other peoples movements? Or something like that, I don't watch Avatar...

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    • Can you control other people's movement with blood? I think you can only kill them by controlling their blood.

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    • You can contort the movement of the blood, therefore controlling the person's movements. Or you can just rapidly increase their blood pressure until they crumple and die.

      But you guys voted against Percy bloodbending so no bloodbending I afraid.

      Oh my the gap has been closed to just TWO VOTES! Percy's vote reduced to 15, and Nico is now on thirteen!

      PS guys Fights are meant to last a week, so on Saturday I'll announce the winner but the thread would stay open. Yeah, that makes sense.

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    • Mr.reporter wrote:
      I waited for this fight years !

      Anyway, if it is a sword to sword battle of course it is Percy.

      But about powers - don't underestimate Nico. He can crack the earth, and send people sleep (BoO), sometimes to summon undead warriors and lastly - and rarily - he can ghostify. Surely, he has a short Spamina. but he's equal to Percy. If the fight is with the Diocletian Scepter so Nico surely wins.

      I vote for Nico, just to balance all the people who vote for Percy for every fight he fight.

      Wow voting for somebody 'for balance' what do you even mean?

      A.) When 'spamina' or 'rarily' or 'ghostify' are words let me know. Anyways, yeah he do all that stuff to random bacground demigods with no powers, but Percy has control over earthquakes and is just stronger than most demigods in general.

      B.) . He cant 'ghostify(as you call it)' people just willy nilly like that do you not remember he nearly dies(Its like saying Sadie can execrate shadows, its not just something you can do everyday). And I think that's only to souls who cheated/escaped or used their parentage to evade Death.

      C.) The Scepter of Diocletian is broken for one thing, and even if it wasn't Nico can only summon them, not lead them into battle, as only an Officer of Rome can do such.

      So really all your arguments are invalid.

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    • Percy has some breathing space by four votes now. Percy is on 17 while Nico is on 13.

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    • Well, tbh Percy has way more experience, feats and general skills compared to Nico. He himself said the Percy is the most powerful demigod he ever met. I think that's enough for a K.O, right? :D

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    • We'll see by Saturday.

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    • And now Percy pulled away overnight! He now stands at 21 votes while Nico remains on 13. Four days to go in this blockbuster fight!

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    • Commander Tool Belt wrote:
      And now Percy pulled away overnight! He now stands at 21 votes while Nico remains on 13. Four days to go in this blockbuster fight!

      How is Percy winning?!?!

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    • Because he's powerful and while Nico has many useful abilities, they tire him out easily, and he has nothing to regain his strength with... Percy can just continue to use water to revitalize him,.

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    • Percy still has that massive eight vote lead with 22 votes to 14.

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    • Where are all the debaters? By all means carry on debating!

      📣📣📣

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    • I think Percy will win. Percy is more powerful and more skilled than Nico, but I wouldn't underestimate Nico.

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    • Nico still isn't closing that gap it remains a massive eight vote lead for Percy, 23 to 15. Three days to go in this blockbuster.

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    • Kind of against the point but I think it would be 50-50 if those two fought. Also I think it would depend on where they fought. If they were on a boat or surrounded by water, where Nico can't pull skeletons from the ground and where Percy is surrounded by water, Percy would likely win. Alternatively, if there was a landlocked battle with no water supply anywhere (eg nothing underground, or no river anywhere etc), then Nico would have the upper hand to manipulate the ground or summon skeletons. Though even away from skeletons under his control, Nico can turn people into ghosts- suggesting that even in Percy's element, Nico would still have awesome amounts of power.

      But bros don't fight so it's all okay haha ^.^

      Another point- whilst I think it would be an even match, I think a frame of reference would be past demigods. Hazel described Pluto's appearance in SoN as "like that awful Adolph Hitler...He could've been Hitler's twin- or his father" (pg 74 in my edition). The promise of the Big Three not having more children was because they were too powerful and caused too many wars, so I always assumed that in the PJ universe, WWII was caused by two children of the Big Three ((nb- I don't mean to trivialise the World Wars because they were terrible and tragic events, but only to reference when the PJ/HoO books themselves mention the World Wars)) . If Hades/Pluto lost there, they might lose again. But that was a war, and not hand to hand combat against two demigods.

      And so again, I'd say it's an even match lol

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    • ^ I think it'll be a tie as well!

      But as of now with three days to go, Percy has an eight vote lead.

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    • Percy wins. It's quite obvious. We have already established that these are one on one fights, so no skeletal warriors for Nico. Percy stomps Nico in swordsmanship, so Percy wins 10/10.

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    • DaughterOfHectate wrote: Kind of against the point but I think it would be 50-50 if those two fought. Also I think it would depend on where they fought. If they were on a boat or surrounded by water, where Nico can't pull skeletons from the ground and where Percy is surrounded by water, Percy would likely win. Alternatively, if there was a landlocked battle with no water supply anywhere (eg nothing underground, or no river anywhere etc), then Nico would have the upper hand to manipulate the ground or summon skeletons. Though even away from skeletons under his control, Nico can turn people into ghosts- suggesting that even in Percy's element, Nico would still have awesome amounts of power.

      But bros don't fight so it's all okay haha ^.^

      Another point- whilst I think it would be an even match, I think a frame of reference would be past demigods. Hazel described Pluto's appearance in SoN as "like that awful Adolph Hitler...He could've been Hitler's twin- or his father" (pg 74 in my edition). The promise of the Big Three not having more children was because they were too powerful and caused too many wars, so I always assumed that in the PJ universe, WWII was caused by two children of the Big Three ((nb- I don't mean to trivialise the World Wars because they were terrible and tragic events, but only to reference when the PJ/HoO books themselves mention the World Wars)) . If Hades/Pluto lost there, they might lose again. But that was a war, and not hand to hand combat against two demigods.

      And so again, I'd say it's an even match lol

      First of all, it's already been mentioned that Nico cannot summon skeletons, for various reasons. Please read the comments section before you post yours. Second of all, they said that it wouldn't be fair if only one could use their powers to their full extent, meaning it has to be in a neutral area, where both can use their powers to their full extent. Also, about Nico ghostifying people, stop posting that without looking at the arguments, look at mines or Oceanhalo's 12 for example. It's going to get tiring of repeating the same arguments over and over again. Also, you are really limiting Percy's diverse water powers, the fact that Percy destroys Nico in combat, that water gives Percy twice as much power than Nico, Nico getting hell tired using his powers, Percy's hurricanes as a defense against Nico. There are to many advantage that Percy has, despite Nico being extremely powerful. Without Shadow Travel, summoning Skeleton armies, bones than can be deflected by Percy's hurricanes, the only other option is putting people asleep, which only happened once: "Way ahead of you." He stroked Blackjack's muzzle." I sense 2 mortals asleep in the main cabin. Nobody else. I'm no child of Hypnos, but I sent some deep dreams their way. Should be enough to keep them snoozing until well after sunrise."

      If you can give me other quotes of Nico doing this, I'm afraid this is the only moment he did this. What I can see from this is, that Nico can only send deep dreams to people, only when they are asleep, not awake, meaning this power is useless, or he would've used it on the Romans in battle, sending them dreams, which he didn't. Until you give me information of Nico doing this in battle, and being able too, I'm afraid this power is limited as well. Though, he does have the power to put skeletons to sleep though.

      So, Nico can't make Percy asleep in battle since it can only happen when people are asleep. So, I'm afraid this power can't be used either.

      So, lets see: No making demigods go to sleep by sending deep dreams if they aren't asleep, no shadow travel, no summoning skeleton armies, Nico summoning bones while Percy can deflect them with his hurricanes, can't ghostify without Reyna's help and killing himself, and according to what Oceanhalo 12 said:"And I think that's only to souls who cheated/escaped or used their parentage to evade Death." (Since Nico believed he was from the underworld who escaped), if it's true, being worse than Percy in combat. Well, I think we have a winner. The only other power Nico has is geokinesis, which won't be very useful above ground since he barely does it, Percy not being afraid of Nico, meaning no induced fear. I believe Percy is the winner.

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    • ^ You'll be surprised that people would still argue.

      Oh dear, Nine! Percy's lead extended to nine votes, 25 to 16. It becoming difficult for Nico to recover.

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    • Lets think about location. If the fight is at a waterpark or somewhere else like that Percy would definitely win because water makes him stonger. If they were in the underworld then it would be at Nicos advantage, unless Percy can control water in the underworld I don't remember if he can.

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    • Well Percy can summon water in the form of a geyser. In BoO he summons a geyser, even though the earth was "too strong there" and he didn't get exhausted. So waters never an issue for Percy.

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    • Slytherin Villain wrote:
      Lets think about location. If the fight is at a waterpark or somewhere else like that Percy would definitely win because water makes him stonger. If they were in the underworld then it would be at Nicos advantage, unless Percy can control water in the underworld I don't remember if he can.

      In the Demigod Files, he controlled the river Lethe and was immune to it's effects. In the Last Olympian, he controlled the river Styx to attack Hades' soldiers although he only had this ability after bathing in it. I believe, in the House of Hades, he also controlled the Fire river to a degree.

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    • VidiaPhoenix wrote:
      Slytherin Villain wrote:
      Lets think about location. If the fight is at a waterpark or somewhere else like that Percy would definitely win because water makes him stonger. If they were in the underworld then it would be at Nicos advantage, unless Percy can control water in the underworld I don't remember if he can.
      In the Demigod Files, he controlled the river Lethe and was immune to it's effects. In the Last Olympian, he controlled the river Styx to attack Hades' soldiers although he only had this ability after bathing in it. I believe, in the House of Hades, he also controlled the Fire river to a degree.

      Thanks for that.

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    • Two days to go in this blockbuster! For Nico to retain his hundred percent he would need a miracle over these next 48 hours about. Percy still has his nine vote lead, and if this result stands Percy would be the only undefeated character on this wiki.

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    • Percy Wins but Nico is being really underated on this thread, and honestly this is the one fight where he might actually have enough hatred and resentment and anger to turn his opponent(Percy) into a ghost.

      Once again for a fair fight it could either be a Burial at sea, or like some type of navy death rite place(marines often asked to be dumped in the ocean and their is plenty of sites for doing so.

      Or, it could be at the point in the underworld where all the Rivers of Hell meet.

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    • Percy wins almost every single fight he is against. Including again gods or people clearly stronger than him. No one is actually rational. His Main Character Safety™ is very strong.

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    • we try to remain impartial, but at least in this fight there has been nothing to change my mind that percy would win. I'm not underrating nico or fanboying over percy it is simply a reality. And that i know of there hasn't been any fights percy v god

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    • SayuriDarling wrote: Percy wins almost every single fight he is against. Including again gods or people clearly stronger than him. No one is actually rational. His Main Character Safety™ is very strong.

      Nah, Percy has never fought a god to the best of my knowledge and he drew with Carter. Nico is the one who has a 100 percent. Percy has 91 percent.

      One day to go! Percy retains his nine vote lead.

      Point of notice: Leo's win rate has just increased with the official announce me to of his win over Will Sollace. He won by about Sixty percent (inevitably) which takes his win rate up to 50 percent.

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    • Oceanhalo12 wrote: Percy Wins but Nico is being really underated on this thread, and honestly this is the one fight where he might actually have enough hatred and resentment and anger to turn his opponent(Percy) into a ghost.

      Once again for a fair fight it could either be a Burial at sea, or like some type of navy death rite place(marines often asked to be dumped in the ocean and their is plenty of sites for doing so.

      Or, it could be at the point in the underworld where all the Rivers of Hell meet.

      Explain to me how Nico is "underrated". I'm assuming that you are talking about his skills and powers, which are not underrated.

      • His sword fighting isn't up to par with any of the seven, except maybe Piper
      • His powers tire him out and aren't as versatile as many other demigods' powers
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    • Nico is pretty powerful and we can't really judge much on his sword fighting. He definitely not on par with Percy, that is a fact. I do not think he is underrated.

      But I think it's a tie.

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    • Commander Tool Belt wrote:
      Nico is pretty powerful and we can't really judge much on his sword fighting. He definitely not on par with Percy, that is a fact. I do not think he is underrated.

      But I think it's a tie.

      So true.

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    • ^Of course.

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    • Nico hands down is the best! #1

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    • ^ Unfortunately the votes don't agree with that- Going into the final about 12 hours of this fight Percy still leads by nine votes.

      Reminder if you have not voted follow the link above and vote accordingly to ensure that who you support has a better chance of winning.

      12 hours. Tick. Tock.

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    • You make it sound like I'm going to end this fight @ 12am on the dot my time. I legit don't have time for that.

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    • ^ Don't worry, you don't have to. I understand you're busy. The thread is staying open anyway, all that is needed is for it to be announced that whoever is the winner. You do not have to lift a finger.

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    • PrincessCandy14 wrote:
      Nico hands down is the best! #1

      Nico has way cooler powers than Percy.

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    • ^ Perhaps, but less effective.

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    • Slytherin Villain wrote:
      PrincessCandy14 wrote:
      Nico hands down is the best! #1
      Nico has way cooler powers than Percy.

      Nah I personally would rather have water-related powers, aspiring to be a dual marine biologist/(song)writer. But Nico is A hell of a lot stronger than Percy, considering he's only 14. At 14, Percy could barely wash away carnivorous horse dung without passing out. Nico powers probably only drain him so much because most of them involve letting all his fear and rage and anger out like literally, which I'm sure would drain anyone.  

      Just Imagine how strong Nico will be at age 17.

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    • Nico will be pretty dam powerful.

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    • oceanhalo that was when he was 15, 14 year old percy was during titans curse.Anyway while nico is very adept with his sword skills he is not at the level where he could challenge an immortal. Also remember how impressed nico was when he thought that frank had killed only the two monsters in venice, this suggest that this act would at the very least be a little challenging for him(or maybe i'm wrong and he considered it and impressive feat for FRANK and not for himself)

      oh and nico is 15

      p.s. the one i'd be on lookout for when she grows older would be hazel, girl's only 13

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    • AACM12 wrote:
      oceanhalo that was when he was 15, 14 year old percy was during titans curse.Anyway while nico is very adept with his sword skills he is not at the level where he could challenge an immortal. Also remember how impressed nico was when he thought that frank had killed only the two monsters in venice, this suggest that this act would at the very least be a little challenging for him(or maybe i'm wrong and he considered it and impressive feat for FRANK and not for himself)

      oh and nico is 15

      p.s. the one i'd be on lookout for when she grows older would be hazel, girl's only 13

      True, but Nico probably could take on Ares once he develops sword fighting a bit, I mean he is pretty good as it is, just not over-the-top Percy/Luke good.

      And yeah I think he was trying to be nice to frank and actually Nico said: 'Wow, that was brave. There must've been what, six or seven of them left in the herd.".

      And even more yeah Hazel is going to dominate.

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    • AACM12 wrote:
      oceanhalo that was when he was 15, 14 year old percy was during titans curse.Anyway while nico is very adept with his sword skills he is not at the level where he could challenge an immortal. Also remember how impressed nico was when he thought that frank had killed only the two monsters in venice, this suggest that this act would at the very least be a little challenging for him(or maybe i'm wrong and he considered it and impressive feat for FRANK and not for himself)

      oh and nico is 15

      p.s. the one i'd be on lookout for when she grows older would be hazel, girl's only 13

      Actually Percy was 14. In TBOTL, he only turned 15 at the end of the book. He had a birthday party, and he certainly wasn't turning 16.

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    • MajickPizza wrote:
      AACM12 wrote:
      oceanhalo that was when he was 15, 14 year old percy was during titans curse.Anyway while nico is very adept with his sword skills he is not at the level where he could challenge an immortal. Also remember how impressed nico was when he thought that frank had killed only the two monsters in venice, this suggest that this act would at the very least be a little challenging for him(or maybe i'm wrong and he considered it and impressive feat for FRANK and not for himself)

      oh and nico is 15

      p.s. the one i'd be on lookout for when she grows older would be hazel, girl's only 13

      Actually Percy was 14. In TBOTL, he only turned 15 at the end of the book. He had a birthday party, and he certainly wasn't turning 16.

      True

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    • Seven hours! And Percy has a ten vote lead.

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    • MajickPizza wrote:

      Actually Percy was 14. In TBOTL, he only turned 15 at the end of the book. He had a birthday party, and he certainly wasn't turning 16.

      right, since titans curse happened in winter rather than summer. But then all the better in terms of how powerful he was at the same age as nico, since although powerful nico hasn't done something on the scale of percy, blowing up mount st. helen

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    • Ding dong!

      In the end Percy wins quite comfortably by 28 votes to 19 and Nico's 100 percent is obliterated. Percy Jackson is the only undefeated character on this wiki that has done multiple fights.

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    • Hooray for Percy I guess.

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    • Vote Nico. ( i'm desperate. )

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    • nico is awesome! :)

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    • Bit too late for that xD

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    • Percy is cool and all, but I'm really starting to get sick and tired of seeing Percy winning all the time.

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    • ^ Lol, yeah. He is the only undefeated character.

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    • Ea225225 wrote: Percy is cool and all, but I'm really starting to get sick and tired of seeing Percy winning all the time.

      Blame Rick for making him the most powerful demigod in the Riordanverse.

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    • Well ,there are some fights I think Percy loses.Like that Jason vs Percy fight and Carter Kane vs Percy.

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    • ^^ that my friend is debatable

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    • How many fights has Nico won?

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    • Ea225225 wrote: Well ,there are some fights I think Percy loses.Like that Jason vs Percy fight and Carter Kane vs Percy.

      No.

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    • Slytherin Villain wrote: How many fights has Nico won?

      I'll be back with statistics later.

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    • I just notice something, for now I think Percy will win. But If Percy sends a wave at Nico, can't Nico sink underground and rise from the earth right behind Percy and just stab him? OR right after Nico appears behind Percy, can't Nico quickly grapple hold of Percy, and then shadow travel himself and Percy to a place with no water for Percy to control. Because I doubt Percy can beat Nico without any water. What do you guys think of this?

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    • since when can nico sink under the earth??

      but anyway shadow traveling to a location with no water will leave nico with a large disadvantage, as he will be severely tired, and nico cannot defeat percy as a swordsman even less when tired

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    • AACM12 wrote:
      since when can nico sink under the earth??

      but anyway shadow traveling to a location with no water will leave nico with a large disadvantage, as he will be severely tired, and nico cannot defeat percy as a swordsman even less when tired

      I thought since Nico can control the earth, he can do stuff like that, but if he can what about my first explanation about appearing behind Percy and stabbing him?

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    • sorry but since he hasn't showed this power or something similar to this power, it can't be taken into account. And some time ago we reached the conclusion that nico couldn't shadow travel short distances, so that's out too.

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    • MeatFaceFTW wrote:

      Ea225225 wrote: Well ,there are some fights I think Percy loses.Like that Jason vs Percy fight and Carter Kane vs Percy.

      No.

      Actually, I think Jason CAN beat Percy if Jason's able to use his air powers to take Percy away from any water source. Though actually I doubt Carter can beat Percy, Carter is more powerful than Percy in my opinion, but then Percy will disarm Carter before he can do any magic blah blah blah. But no offense to any Percy lovers,but I think Hazel,Frank,Thalia Grace,and maybe Reyna and Annabeth can take down Percy. But you guys probably thought of a thousand explanations to change my mind that Percy can beat all of them. Since you guys are all top notch debaters XD.

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    • Hazel yeah, Thalia maybe. Frank, Reyna, and Annabeth will put up a good fight, but I don't see how any of them would end up winning. I guess it depends...

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    • Percy's water healing ability enables him to win all of these fights.

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    • annabeth could probably keep up with percy, but only in skill, when powers come it to play annabeth has no way of defending herself same thing for reyna. But yeah Ea sorry if i sound kind of jerkish but we have considered a lot of scenarios, like really a lot, and under the right circumstances anyone can beat anyone, but at least the way i decide from whom to vote is like out of 10 fights who is going to come out on top the most. And at least in fights against jason, nico, annabeth and even carter, that one has been percy, now in fight against hazel i'm leaning with hazel for now.

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    • MajickPizza wrote: Hazel yeah, Thalia maybe. Frank, Reyna, and Annabeth will put up a good fight, but I don't see how any of them would end up winning. I guess it depends...

      Frank might be able to beat Percy by dropping an explosive arrow right away, Annabeth and Reyna...well remember I said maybe they can beat him. Reyna or Annabeth MIGHT be able to disarm and kill Percy before he can summon a wave. I'm sure Percy won't use his water powers right away with two barely powered demigods, and I'm not sure if Percy can be disarmed that easily, so you guys agree or disagree.To get back on topic Percy beats Nico.

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    • An explosive arrow isn't gonna do much to Percy. He has a very high tolerance for heat and fire, and whatever other effects he gets can be healed with water.

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    • MeatFaceFTW wrote: An explosive arrow isn't gonna do much to Percy. He has a very high tolerance for heat and fire, and whatever other effects he gets can be healed with water.

      That is a good point but I'm pretty sure the impact of the explosion will knock out Percy, a good opportunity for Frank to kill Percy and if the explosion doesn't knock out Percy(though I'm pretty sure it would) the fire and impact of the explosion will still leave him severely injured. Making little chance for Percy to defend himself if Frank goes for the kill. Frank will be able to kill Percy before he has any contact with water to heal himself.

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    • You act like the explosion would be really huge or something. And no, he won't be 'severely' injured, just injured and most likely a little dazed. Besides, it takes a lot to knock Percy out so again the arrow won't do much. Percy can also just easily knock the arrow aside with his sword.

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    • Frank turning into a fly and sneaking up on Percy then turning into dragon and taking him out by surprise. What do you guys think of that?

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    • Percy can also knock aside bullets, I'm pretty sure knocking aside a fly won't be any harder especially if Percy can hear Frank's annoying buzzing if Frank were to sneak up on him. A herd of bees maybe?  No never mind, Percy can just wash them away with water.

      Also were getting off topic. This isn't Percy vs Frank.

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    • What if Frank can turn to a fly that's smaller making It hard for Percy to see and doesn't make annoying noises there are some flies that are like that. But anyway yeah this off topic, silly me. Can't wait for a Percy vs Frank fight or a Hazel vs percy fight, but let's get on topic with Percy and Nico. So does anyone think that Riordan is making Nico powers drain him easily on purpose so Nico is not that powerful? Cause, I don't see anyone taking down Nico(Hazel might) if his powers doesn't drain him as much.

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    • its most likely because of the nature of his powers like the dark arts in harry potter or the dark side in star wars that although powerful, degrades users physically and mentally. Maybe something of the like happens when nico uses his powers that although not really degrading him physically or mentally make him tire faster, since hazel whos powers originate from the same source doesnt really tire her as much and as fast.

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    • Poll "closed" with Percy winning, btw. Next fight soon. Continue on.

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    • Ea225225 wrote: Well ,there are some fights I think Percy loses.Like that Jason vs Percy fight and Carter Kane vs Percy.

      I'm confused on how Percy can beat Carter though.

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    • Well Percy is better at sword fighting at carter. They've fought with swords before and Carter had to resort to using magic in order for Percy to lose.

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    • Plus Percy's powers use a lot less energy. he could just stand in water(constant healing) and let Carter's avatar tire out, which as we've seen in Demigod and Magicians, renders him almost completely useless.

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    • This isn't verses Carter. c:

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    • Heh. 

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    • Nico's plenty cool and powerful, but would he attack percy? But I still choose Nico.

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    • I would've said a tie, but then I put into account their experience and their skills. Nico hass all these Death powers, yet the ghostifying was unintentional, and Nico couldn't recall any of it. Percy has WAAAAY more experience than Nico. I thought Nico could make up for it with pure power, but I'm pretty sure even he couldn't overpower Da Jackson. Percy has a wide variety, maybe even more than Nico, of powers.

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    • Hi everyone, um... this is my first post.I think that nico will win the battle against percy even though he tires out faster. Though percy has greater versatility with his powers and has more endurance, nico`s abilities are more powerful with him being able to insta-kill any mortal, demigod, or legacy. sure you may say that nico didn`t know what he did, but that is not the point of this fight, is it, these guys are not in character. Now, lets assume that nico can`t insta-kill, he has just as much if not more versatility with his abilities than percy. his shadow travel alone gives him a bazillion ways to kill percy, he can unexpectedly open fissures that lead to the underworld and summon an army of the undead to fight percy while he replenishes himself with ambrosia and nectar. come to think of it, nico can even summon the furies and hellhounds( these are all a part of his abilities) and let them do the fighting for him.

      In the end, nico wins with greater options than percy. percy could win in a place with water but then again nico could just shadow travel him to the underworld. :)

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    • Great first post Ruthlessleader! You pointed out some GREAT factors that would tip the balance over to Nico, also, Nico's abilities rapidly decrease his stamina, even so after 1 shadow travel he'll be tired af. And he would have catch Percy to shadow travel with him to the Underworld, so that's that. Also, Percy has hydrogenesis, which means he can generate water, as he did back in BoTL. Which means he would be given his home element, of course, water. As Percy has shown, he has multiple ways of defeating an enemy with just water without killing it. Insta-killing is also out of the picture, since his ghostifying was triggered by something, and he had no memory of it, so he couldn't know hoe to do it. Still, nice arguement.

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    • There is no proof that Nico could summon the furies or hellhounds. He would have to catch Percy. Even if he could catch Percy it wouldn't matter because Percy could just summon a hurricane and attack Nico. I'm pretty sure you can't just open up random fissures to the underworld. The water would make Percy stronger and if he summoned a hurricane around him Nico couldn't get close. Percy is more experienced, is stronger and is a better swordsman. Overall Percy outmatches Nico.

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    • Nico did open fissures in the underworld. Also, assuming as a son of Hades he has rule over underworld beings, then we could assume he could summon hellhounds and furies.

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    • No we couldn't. If he could he probably would have done it.

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    • How could we NOT?

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    • If he's never done it than we can't just assume that he can.

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    • NovaBoom wrote:
      Great first post Ruthlessleader! You pointed out some GREAT factors that would tip the balance over to Nico, also, Nico's abilities rapidly decrease his stamina, even so after 1 shadow travel he'll be tired af. And he would have catch Percy to shadow travel with him to the Underworld, so that's that. Also, Percy has hydrogenesis, which means he can generate water, as he did back in BoTL. Which means he would be given his home element, of course, water. As Percy has shown, he has multiple ways of defeating an enemy with just water without killing it. Insta-killing is also out of the picture, since his ghostifying was triggered by something, and he had no memory of it, so he couldn't know hoe to do it. Still, nice arguement.

      thanks nova, but i wonder if i am the only dude to notice but shouldnt it be impossible for nico to survive in tartarus all on his own without any companions ? I mean percy had annabeth, Bob/Iapetus, and Little bob (im not sure whether damasen should be counted or not). If we factor this in, then nico should have more stamine and endurance than percy, especially when you realize that nico is 3 years younger than percy. But even rick riordan seems to not have noticed this plot hole.

      And to ryan up there we also can`t just assume that he can`t. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

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    • We aren't assuming that he can't, but we aren't assuming that he can either. Also Nico only survived Tartarus because he was captured rather than killed. Percy has been at camp longer and is older so he is the better swordsman and his powers are more developed. The only thing is that Nico can summon skeletons. But Percy can summon hurricanes to keep the skeletons away and kill Nico.

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    • Percy!

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    • AcrossUniverse wrote: Percy!

      Could you please explain?

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    • Wow, this was some debate!! 

      and I side with Nico

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    • Again, explain.

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    • Okay, first of all, they Commander already said that Nico can't summon skeletons/ghosts, since they are companions, like Blackjack and Ms. O'leary, so that's out already.

      Percy has much more control of Cryokinesis, since he can actually control it, unlike Nico, so that's an advantage for Percy already.

      Percy's hurricanes can deflect all the bones Nico summons, so that's out as well, since Percy's hurricanes can be used as a defense, as he has done a number of times. Plus, I already showed you who powerful his hurricanes can be, so deflecting multiple bones won't be nothing, since his hurricanes have deflected stronger things...Plus, Percy can summon shields of water like he did in The Last Olympian.

      As for shadows, I already explained that Nico can't use Shadow travel, so that's out as well.

      As for endurance, I've already shown that Percy is much more resistant to Nico, unless you didn't read my post...

      As for Geokinesis, that advantage is mostly only available underground, since Nico almost never does it above ground...Plus, it is unknown if Percy has it, though it's possible that he does have some control. Here's what the wiki says: It is unknown if Percy Jackson truly has some degree of this ability. The eruption he caused on Mount Saint Helens during the Battle of the Labyrinth was a result of a large explosion of water. He also makes fissures by stabbing Riptide in the ground, [1][2] but it is unknown if this was caused by Percy, Riptide, or the structure was simply weak enough to crack.

      Anyways, with or without the ability, geokinesis wouldn't be so useful, since Percy would most likely fight in the ocean or be, Nico is in a disadvantage already.

      As for Nico radiating fear, Percy has never been afraid of him, only concerned, despite Frank and Jason being afraid of him. I'll also mention Percy has seen much things worse than Nico's fear aura, so that won't affect him, especially since he can fight still despite being very afraid, like shown in The House of Hades.

      As for Nico ghostifying, I'll say that's even more unfair since Percy can't blood bend now (Ghostifying should be cancelled as well), since he only did that once, almost died if it weren't for Coach Hedge, received tons of strength from Reyna, had to be extremely angry...so that won't be able to happen so easily, like you think, also, it's even more limited than Percy controlling poisons.

      Percy is the best in combat, but also has much more environmental/battle awareness than Nico, meaning, Percy asleep can cause him to awake if she senses danger, like the example I gave in The Last Olympian and more intelligent that him in combat, so, that's is more than simply being the best swordsman.

      Also, you are really limiting Percy water-powers, since he can trap, grab, solidify...

      Also, the reason why Nico can't summon skeletons/ghosts is because they are considered companions, since they help him, so it wouldn't be fair, unless Percy can have Blackjack than.

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    • Erick.baez.773 wrote:
      Percy! I know Nico is extremely powerful, but he won't stand a chance. Why? Because Nico loves Percy. And with that love, he wouldn't be able to defeat him. I know some might say, "But Erick, imagine if Percy and Nico were enemies!". And you know what, that'd make things worse. You know what Percy can do to enemies, and you know what happens when he gets angry too. Since it's post-The Crown of Ptolemy, well, Percy's gotten quite a lot more powerful after those Kane-chronicles crossovers. Anyways, I'll post my reasons.

      1. Combat. This has been argued so many times, but Percy is by far, the better fighter. I'll explain my reasons of why. But let me give you a counterargument from my friend 8th, whom she and I have argued way back...I hope you remember this 8th. Before I post it, I do realise that her posts are extremely old, but nothing new has come about this specific argument, and since no one has argued if Nico or Percy is stronger, I thought it would be good to use past arguments, since there hasn't been any in a long time. Here's what she wrote:

      You cannot state that Percy is a better swordsman and combatant than Nico as a fact--we simply do not have enough evidence of that... If anything, Nico had the advantage of being able to train with skilled undead warriors whenever he pleases. Given how much Nico would have tried to please his father, I would assume that these sparring matches would be very intense... Just saying! XD

      Ok, let's stop here. Well, there is in fact more evidence that Percy is a better swordsman, since one of the ways of seeing which one is better is through feats, since it shows the power, the strength and the skill the swordsman possess, just like we know Hercules was the strongest and most powerful demigod because of his feats...I mean, how else would we know if he's powerful, if he does;t display it, and would show a lack of confidence of his strength and of himself? There are reasons why people objectively think Percy is one of the best swordman, for example, he was considered the best sword-fighter in Camp Half Blood in The Sea of Monsters, with the best sword-fighters at that time being much weaker than Percy, like Annabeth.

      I realise that some of the best combatants, like Thalia, were never known to be excellent fighters in Camp Half Blood, at least not to Luke's extent, in being the best sword-fighter in the last 300 years, like Luke was in Camp Half Blood, so it's true that my point is moot, basically. But, to be the best sword-fighter [Percy] in such a short time, in that time, with no knowledge of Thalia's feats or skill besides Annabeth saying they were "amazing monster-fighters", is quite incredible, but to be fair to Percy as well, Annabeth was shocked and impressed at what Percy was capable of doing in The Lightning Theif, like defeating 5 Ares girls in Capture the Flag.

      Anyways, let's continue hearing to what 8th has said long ago: Also, just because Percy has fought/slaughtered more monsters, gods, Titans, and Giants, that does not make him a better warrior than Nico, it merely means that Percy was in the right place at the right time, while Nico was simply never given a chance to prove himself in that regard. Hence, that cannot be used an an objective counter-argument. For instance, like Percy, Nico would have been able to hold up the entire sky, since that was not a feat of physical strength, but rather, one of willpower (which Nico has, evidenced by his survival in Tartarus), great courage (which Nico has, evidenced by him standing up to Lycaon, Kronos, Hades, and Cupid), and a true heart (which Nico has, evidenced by how loyal he is to his friends and family, and by how much he actually cares about them).

      Prove himself. This is a poor argument. Before we continue, I'll ask, what is a feat? Here it is: "An achievement that requires great courage, skill, or strength" I find this rather interesting really. There has been many moments where Nico couldn't prove himself, because of his lack of strength and combat skill, which latter on, as you read The Heroes of Olympu, you'd realise one of the reasons why he couldn't prove himself in Percy Jackson, was because he had the lack of courage, confident, luckiness, and skill, which shows the the lack of feats for Nico in Percy Jackson and The Olympians. Also, one other explanation, was that it wasn't because Percy was at the right place and time, Nico was as well, and hasn't been able to do anything as impressive as Percy has done, besides Tartarus, because of his lack of combat skill unlike Percy. I mean, let's think for a moment. Nico has fought giants before, but he needed the help of Coach Hedge, Reyna, Hylla, Thalia to fight and escape the giant, which shows that he doesn't have the combat skill to fight giants; he relies on his powers way to much, unlike Percy, who can fight without his powers. Let me ask several questions. Has Nico defeated A Titan before? No. Has he had the chance to fight them? He probably did, considering he was in Tartarus, where several titans where. Was he able to defeat him? Well, I can't answer that, but it's most likely he was defeated very easily. Let's continue that trend. Did Nico fight a Giant? Yes. Was he able to defeat one? Hell no. As I mentioned earlier, Nico first, needed a diversion to fight a giant in The Blood of Olympus, then he had the help of Reyna, Coach Hedge, Hylla to fight him, and had help from Thalia to escape, while on the other hand, Percy defeated Polybotes almost single-handedly, and fought on equal terms with the Giant Thoon, with a concussion: "Percy was back on his feet, Riptide once again in his hands. He still looked dazed. His nose was bleeding. But he seemed to be holding his own against the old giant Thoon, who had somehow reattached his hand and found his meat cleaver." Pgs. 408-409

      Did Nico take out an entire enemy army by himself, like what happened with Frank and Percy? Nope. While there were moments were he defeated a number of monsters, he has never defeated an army, which Percy did a number of times already. As for Nico's combat skills, Nico's most impressive feats are lower than Percy's, like defeating 6 Roman demigods, but with the help of some Greek demigods, which makes it less impressive, or defeating several monsters, throughout the series.

      So, Nico had all the same opportunities like Percy did, but was never able to succeed like Percy did. Why? Because Nico lacks the power and combat skill like Percy, which shows that Percy's combat skills are [mostly] unrivalled among his friends.

      Ok, the one I bolded is where I'm going to counter-argue the most. It's true, Nico has courage, he has will-power, he is loyal, but can he surpass Percy? If he can't, it shows that Nico is inferior to Percy, because once again, Percy is the stronger one, and, I realise that 8th was talking about that Nico could carry the sky, but what I argue is going to prove that even though Nico could hold the sky, it would't be the same, because Nico has less courage, less loyalty than Percy, which means, less opportunities of having impressive feats, due to not having certain qualities like others.

      Courage. 8th mentioned that Nico has great courage, which I agree. However, the main problem is the fact that we lack Nico's great courage in the first series, due to the fact of being unsure of himself, and being unstable most of the time, after his sister's death. But he did show great courage a number a times, like standing up to Hades, Kronos, Cupid. Does Nico have enough courage to surpass Percy's courage as well, which is one of the defining factors of what makes something a feat? Sadly, he doesn't, which is one of the reasons why Percy has more impressive feats=more courage. As of what we know, Percy has stood up to Kronos, Hyperion, Hades, Alkhys, Tartarus himself in incarnation, something that is even more terrifying than seeing Tartarus in it's true horror, though Percy has seen it as well, which proves my point even more. He has also stood up to Nyx, one of the most terrifying beings in the Riordanverse, and all of her children. And of course, all the monsters he has killed over the years being together, to destroy the world. He also stood up to the Arai, and even destroy dozens of them, despite knowing how terrible they were, an dhow easily they could kill them, which the almost did. With this feats, it is already known, that Percy has more courage than any other demigod, because one of the advantages of Nico is the fact that he is the son of Hades, which gives him an unfair advantage of not being scared of the darkness and the underworld, something Percy is terrified of. Nico himself said that that not even a son of Hades can survive in Tartarus, implying that Sons/daughters of Hades are more prone to the underworld, Tartarus, than all demigods, because of the fact that darkness doesn't affect them.

      Let's continue. Loyalty. I don't even really have to explain over here. Percy's fatal flaw is loyalty, which means his loyalty surpasses everyone, since that is his major flaw, and what causes many troubles, but as well as being the redeeming factor and saving grace in many problems that have been caused, which if it weren't for Percy, the world would be destroyed. But on the other hand, it has been told, that the world would be destroyed, because of Percy's loyalty, which show how high the stakes are if Percy didn't stop his fatal flaw, implying that there is no one out there that has more loyalty than Percy, since loyalty defines Percy.

      Here's what 8th said as well: But it would only be logical for that to be the case, since Percy was the main character of the first series (him being the title character!), and one of the legendary Seven Heroes of Olympus, while Nico di Angelo was, sadly, always a somewhat secondary character in comparison, and featured far less in both series as a whole :(((. But, as I have stated before - just because Percy has more feats, the fact that Nico has never been in most of those situations in and of itself does not indicate that he would have fared less than Percy (unless the situation could only be overcome with hydrokinesis, such as escaping the exploding Princess Andromeda quickly enough to survive, or defending oneself against the attacks of 2 water deities while underwater). Hence, since we lack a decent amount of feats from Nico (due to him not being in the right place at the right time, so to speak), we can only attempt to draw logical conclusions from what we do know.

      One again, Nico has been in the right places at the right time just like Percy has, meaning this argument didn't think well enough. One of the reasons why Nico lacked a decent amount of feats in the first series was the fact that he didn't have the strength, the will-power, the courage, the stability and oneness of a calm mind and power to prove himself a lot, which was his fault, and which Percy didn't have at all, giving him more of a chance to have more feats.

      The Point is, as far as we know, Nico hasn't defeated anyone as powerful as Percy has,, for Percy is THE HERUCLES of his time, for he defeated all the big ones, that past heroes of have defeated, while Nico, gets the bad luck, Because if Percy is the Hercules of now, and and got all the godly feats of the other heroes, it's hard to say that Nico, just isn't as as good as Percy combat-wise, courage-wise, loyalty-wise, strength-wise, as Percy has become to great and powerful For Percy is the greatest hero of his time. In the entire series, Nico never defeated a titan, god, or gains, while Percy did, which shows the fact that despite Nico's powers, his combat level is just not on Percy's level. Also, there is no way we can defend Nico of not being able to defeat a Titan, Giant or major monster, since he had the chance.

      While Percy on the other hand, has defeated monsters, giants and titans, much more bigger and stronger than him. And yes, Giants and monsters far more powerful and stronger than Nico has ever defeated, at least some of them. The following including:

      • Defeated and injured Ares, at the age of 12, with barely to almost no training. This is by far, one of the greatest feats of any demigod, for Percy barely knew anything about sword-fighting, and was able to fight him in a very long duel, ultimately defeating him.
      • Defeated and injured Polyphemus, single-handedly, while being out of practiced in The Sea of Monsters. Once again, Percy is able to defeat a Cyclops, that was " 15 feet tall" and much more powerful than him. Once again, Percy defeats(and almost kills) and other powerful being, while being "out of practiced".
      • Percy also defeated, injured and killed Anateus, in The Battle of the Labyrinth, with just his sword.
      • Easily over-powered Phobos, a minor god, in a matter of seconds, forcing The God Phobos to run away from Percy, in The Demigod Files.
      • Battled Kronos, the most powerful Titan, in a very long duel, with instances were- " With a yell, I kicked his legs out from under him. The Scythe skittered across the pavement" Percy was powerful enough that Kronos' Scythe was knocked out of Kronos hands (And remember, both Kronos and Percy had The Curse of Achilles, so this was a very fair fight. I realize that Kronos was not at his strongest, and Percy was, but compared to the others, including Krios, the Titans looked like babies compared to Kronos).
      • Percy has defeated/ Killed/ Stood his ground with others, such as Polybotes, Otis, Ephialtes, Thoon, Hades, Ahklys, Setne, Hercules, Iapetus, Cacus etc.

      As for his powers, well, Percy has a very diverse abilities to do with water, such as trapping, grabbing, solidifying, throwing, and healing. Plus, he can summon Hurricanes so powerful, such as these: "Entire cul-de-sac was engulfed in a hurricane. Percy stood at the edge, unmoved, but the water was churning so fast now that even the giant crocodile lost his footing. Wrecked cars scraped along the pavement. Mailboxes were pulled out of lawns and swept away. The water increased in volume as well as speed, rising up and turning the entire neighborhood into a liquid centrifuge. It was my turn to be stunned. A few moments ago I had decided Percy was no magician. Yet I'd never seen a magician who could control so much water."

      I think this shows powerful Percy's hurricanes are. These type of hurricanes that Percy summon, can deflect the bones Nico summons, or the number of the dead he can summon, since Percy can fight while having his hurricanes defending him, meaning his hurricanes are basically his defence power. The quote above is a perfect example of how powerful Percy's hurricanes are and can be.

      Also, thanks to a user here, since I'm a bit to lazy after writing so much, but Percy is also much more resistant than Nico, such as:

      • Percy was able to withstand the curses laid upon him in TARTARUS:
      • An arrow throught three hearts (Geryon)
      • Gorgon blood (deadly poison) (Phones)
      • and dozens more at the same time....

      Also, if companions can be included, Nico's shadow travel is basically useless. But if we can't, well, I have already explained how Nico can;t shadow travel very short distances, unlike Hazel with her Mist Travel...Like I explained in the other thread in Leo Valdez vs Nico: You guys keep mentioning Nico's Shadow Travel as an advantage. I know Shadow Travel is great, but I've wondered, can Nico Shadow Travel short distances? Throughout the series, he has only been shadow Traveling long distances- several to hundreds to thousands of miles. I know that just because it has never happened, doesn't mean Nico can't do it. But, if find it rather weird. If Nico can Shadow Travel short distances, like in battle, why hasn't he done it yet? Has it not occurred to him yet? Or is Shadow Travel only meant, for well, traveling long distances? Can Nico disappear and reappear in the shadows like Hazel does with her Mist Travel Powers? If Nico can, then it is certainly an advantage over Leo. But if he can't Shadow Travel very short distances (Appearing and Disappearing instantly Like Hazel), while it can't be consider as an advantage, since it would be useless in battle. So, can Nico, Shadow Travel very short distances?

      And like some mentioned: The idea of Nico shadow-traveling short distances are quiet low, like Viral said: The chances of this suddenly occurring to him in this in battle may be quite low.

      While some mentioned the fact that Nico won't waste to much energy shadow-traveling short distances, it's still unknown on how much energy he has to use to reappear and disappear, with all those atoms he has.

      I'll rest my case for now, and forgive me for my low-quality post if I did one, and for writing an extremely long one. But I knew it was coming, so I had to give my best try in a very short time.

      Yes it specific out of all the evidence you gave us if Thalia were included she get destroyed. Lets take a look at their father ' The Big Three' Poseidon , Hades and Zeus. Zeus is the youngest and the weakest and is only ruler of Olympus because of his mother Rhea. While Poseidon and Hades are super destructive making their kids even stronger. Percy has more advantages because Percy doesn't fear Nico so he cant radiate fear and a disadvantage for Nico, is he loves Percy and he won't be able to defeat Percy with that.

      So yeah I would vote percy 

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      Also, for the record, I believe it is stated Zeus is the strongest in the Greek Gods book. I specifically remember Percy saying something along the lines of, "Each child [Rhea and Kronos] had was more beautiful and more powerful than the last."

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    • Erick.baez.773 wrote: Percy! I know Nico is extremely powerful, but he won't stand a chance. Why? Because Nico loves Percy. And with that love, he wouldn't be able to defeat him. I know some might say, "But Erick, imagine if Percy and Nico were enemies!". And you know what, that'd make things worse. You know what Percy can do to enemies, and you know what happens when he gets angry too. Since it's post-The Crown of Ptolemy, well, Percy's gotten quite a lot more powerful after those Kane-chronicles crossovers. Anyways, I'll post my reasons.

      1. Combat. This has been argued so many times, but Percy is by far, the better fighter. I'll explain my reasons of why. But let me give you a counterargument from my friend 8th, whom she and I have argued way back...I hope you remember this 8th. Before I post it, I do realise that her posts are extremely old, but nothing new has come about this specific argument, and since no one has argued if Nico or Percy is stronger, I thought it would be good to use past arguments, since there hasn't been any in a long time. Here's what she wrote:

      You cannot state that Percy is a better swordsman and combatant than Nico as a fact--we simply do not have enough evidence of that... If anything, Nico had the advantage of being able to train with skilled undead warriors whenever he pleases. Given how much Nico would have tried to please his father, I would assume that these sparring matches would be very intense... Just saying! XD

      Ok, let's stop here. Well, there is in fact more evidence that Percy is a better swordsman, since one of the ways of seeing which one is better is through feats, since it shows the power, the strength and the skill the swordsman possess, just like we know Hercules was the strongest and most powerful demigod because of his feats...I mean, how else would we know if he's powerful, if he does;t display it, and would show a lack of confidence of his strength and of himself? There are reasons why people objectively think Percy is one of the best swordman, for example, he was considered the best sword-fighter in Camp Half Blood in The Sea of Monsters, with the best sword-fighters at that time being much weaker than Percy, like Annabeth.

      I realise that some of the best combatants, like Thalia, were never known to be excellent fighters in Camp Half Blood, at least not to Luke's extent, in being the best sword-fighter in the last 300 years, like Luke was in Camp Half Blood, so it's true that my point is moot, basically. But, to be the best sword-fighter [Percy] in such a short time, in that time, with no knowledge of Thalia's feats or skill besides Annabeth saying they were "amazing monster-fighters", is quite incredible, but to be fair to Percy as well, Annabeth was shocked and impressed at what Percy was capable of doing in The Lightning Theif, like defeating 5 Ares girls in Capture the Flag.

      Anyways, let's continue hearing to what 8th has said long ago: Also, just because Percy has fought/slaughtered more monsters, gods, Titans, and Giants, that does not make him a better warrior than Nico, it merely means that Percy was in the right place at the right time, while Nico was simply never given a chance to prove himself in that regard. Hence, that cannot be used an an objective counter-argument. For instance, like Percy, Nico would have been able to hold up the entire sky, since that was not a feat of physical strength, but rather, one of willpower (which Nico has, evidenced by his survival in Tartarus), great courage (which Nico has, evidenced by him standing up to Lycaon, Kronos, Hades, and Cupid), and a true heart (which Nico has, evidenced by how loyal he is to his friends and family, and by how much he actually cares about them).

      Prove himself. This is a poor argument. Before we continue, I'll ask, what is a feat? Here it is: "An achievement that requires great courage, skill, or strength" I find this rather interesting really. There has been many moments where Nico couldn't prove himself, because of his lack of strength and combat skill, which latter on, as you read The Heroes of Olympu, you'd realise one of the reasons why he couldn't prove himself in Percy Jackson, was because he had the lack of courage, confident, luckiness, and skill, which shows the the lack of feats for Nico in Percy Jackson and The Olympians. Also, one other explanation, was that it wasn't because Percy was at the right place and time, Nico was as well, and hasn't been able to do anything as impressive as Percy has done, besides Tartarus, because of his lack of combat skill unlike Percy. I mean, let's think for a moment. Nico has fought giants before, but he needed the help of Coach Hedge, Reyna, Hylla, Thalia to fight and escape the giant, which shows that he doesn't have the combat skill to fight giants; he relies on his powers way to much, unlike Percy, who can fight without his powers. Let me ask several questions. Has Nico defeated A Titan before? No. Has he had the chance to fight them? He probably did, considering he was in Tartarus, where several titans where. Was he able to defeat him? Well, I can't answer that, but it's most likely he was defeated very easily. Let's continue that trend. Did Nico fight a Giant? Yes. Was he able to defeat one? Hell no. As I mentioned earlier, Nico first, needed a diversion to fight a giant in The Blood of Olympus, then he had the help of Reyna, Coach Hedge, Hylla to fight him, and had help from Thalia to escape, while on the other hand, Percy defeated Polybotes almost single-handedly, and fought on equal terms with the Giant Thoon, with a concussion: "Percy was back on his feet, Riptide once again in his hands. He still looked dazed. His nose was bleeding. But he seemed to be holding his own against the old giant Thoon, who had somehow reattached his hand and found his meat cleaver." Pgs. 408-409

      Did Nico take out an entire enemy army by himself, like what happened with Frank and Percy? Nope. While there were moments were he defeated a number of monsters, he has never defeated an army, which Percy did a number of times already. As for Nico's combat skills, Nico's most impressive feats are lower than Percy's, like defeating 6 Roman demigods, but with the help of some Greek demigods, which makes it less impressive, or defeating several monsters, throughout the series.

      So, Nico had all the same opportunities like Percy did, but was never able to succeed like Percy did. Why? Because Nico lacks the power and combat skill like Percy, which shows that Percy's combat skills are [mostly] unrivalled among his friends.

      Ok, the one I bolded is where I'm going to counter-argue the most. It's true, Nico has courage, he has will-power, he is loyal, but can he surpass Percy? If he can't, it shows that Nico is inferior to Percy, because once again, Percy is the stronger one, and, I realise that 8th was talking about that Nico could carry the sky, but what I argue is going to prove that even though Nico could hold the sky, it would't be the same, because Nico has less courage, less loyalty than Percy, which means, less opportunities of having impressive feats, due to not having certain qualities like others.

      Courage. 8th mentioned that Nico has great courage, which I agree. However, the main problem is the fact that we lack Nico's great courage in the first series, due to the fact of being unsure of himself, and being unstable most of the time, after his sister's death. But he did show great courage a number a times, like standing up to Hades, Kronos, Cupid. Does Nico have enough courage to surpass Percy's courage as well, which is one of the defining factors of what makes something a feat? Sadly, he doesn't, which is one of the reasons why Percy has more impressive feats=more courage. As of what we know, Percy has stood up to Kronos, Hyperion, Hades, Alkhys, Tartarus himself in incarnation, something that is even more terrifying than seeing Tartarus in it's true horror, though Percy has seen it as well, which proves my point even more. He has also stood up to Nyx, one of the most terrifying beings in the Riordanverse, and all of her children. And of course, all the monsters he has killed over the years being together, to destroy the world. He also stood up to the Arai, and even destroy dozens of them, despite knowing how terrible they were, an dhow easily they could kill them, which the almost did. With this feats, it is already known, that Percy has more courage than any other demigod, because one of the advantages of Nico is the fact that he is the son of Hades, which gives him an unfair advantage of not being scared of the darkness and the underworld, something Percy is terrified of. Nico himself said that that not even a son of Hades can survive in Tartarus, implying that Sons/daughters of Hades are more prone to the underworld, Tartarus, than all demigods, because of the fact that darkness doesn't affect them.

      Let's continue. Loyalty. I don't even really have to explain over here. Percy's fatal flaw is loyalty, which means his loyalty surpasses everyone, since that is his major flaw, and what causes many troubles, but as well as being the redeeming factor and saving grace in many problems that have been caused, which if it weren't for Percy, the world would be destroyed. But on the other hand, it has been told, that the world would be destroyed, because of Percy's loyalty, which show how high the stakes are if Percy didn't stop his fatal flaw, implying that there is no one out there that has more loyalty than Percy, since loyalty defines Percy.

      Here's what 8th said as well: But it would only be logical for that to be the case, since Percy was the main character of the first series (him being the title character!), and one of the legendary Seven Heroes of Olympus, while Nico di Angelo was, sadly, always a somewhat secondary character in comparison, and featured far less in both series as a whole :(((. But, as I have stated before - just because Percy has more feats, the fact that Nico has never been in most of those situations in and of itself does not indicate that he would have fared less than Percy (unless the situation could only be overcome with hydrokinesis, such as escaping the exploding Princess Andromeda quickly enough to survive, or defending oneself against the attacks of 2 water deities while underwater). Hence, since we lack a decent amount of feats from Nico (due to him not being in the right place at the right time, so to speak), we can only attempt to draw logical conclusions from what we do know.

      One again, Nico has been in the right places at the right time just like Percy has, meaning this argument didn't think well enough. One of the reasons why Nico lacked a decent amount of feats in the first series was the fact that he didn't have the strength, the will-power, the courage, the stability and oneness of a calm mind and power to prove himself a lot, which was his fault, and which Percy didn't have at all, giving him more of a chance to have more feats.

      The Point is, as far as we know, Nico hasn't defeated anyone as powerful as Percy has,, for Percy is THE HERUCLES of his time, for he defeated all the big ones, that past heroes of have defeated, while Nico, gets the bad luck, Because if Percy is the Hercules of now, and and got all the godly feats of the other heroes, it's hard to say that Nico, just isn't as as good as Percy combat-wise, courage-wise, loyalty-wise, strength-wise, as Percy has become to great and powerful For Percy is the greatest hero of his time. In the entire series, Nico never defeated a titan, god, or gains, while Percy did, which shows the fact that despite Nico's powers, his combat level is just not on Percy's level. Also, there is no way we can defend Nico of not being able to defeat a Titan, Giant or major monster, since he had the chance.

      While Percy on the other hand, has defeated monsters, giants and titans, much more bigger and stronger than him. And yes, Giants and monsters far more powerful and stronger than Nico has ever defeated, at least some of them. The following including:

      • Defeated and injured Ares, at the age of 12, with barely to almost no training. This is by far, one of the greatest feats of any demigod, for Percy barely knew anything about sword-fighting, and was able to fight him in a very long duel, ultimately defeating him.
      • Defeated and injured Polyphemus, single-handedly, while being out of practiced in The Sea of Monsters. Once again, Percy is able to defeat a Cyclops, that was " 15 feet tall" and much more powerful than him. Once again, Percy defeats(and almost kills) and other powerful being, while being "out of practiced".
      • Percy also defeated, injured and killed Anateus, in The Battle of the Labyrinth, with just his sword.
      • Easily over-powered Phobos, a minor god, in a matter of seconds, forcing The God Phobos to run away from Percy, in The Demigod Files.
      • Battled Kronos, the most powerful Titan, in a very long duel, with instances were- " With a yell, I kicked his legs out from under him. The Scythe skittered across the pavement" Percy was powerful enough that Kronos' Scythe was knocked out of Kronos hands (And remember, both Kronos and Percy had The Curse of Achilles, so this was a very fair fight. I realize that Kronos was not at his strongest, and Percy was, but compared to the others, including Krios, the Titans looked like babies compared to Kronos).
      • Percy has defeated/ Killed/ Stood his ground with others, such as Polybotes, Otis, Ephialtes, Thoon, Hades, Ahklys, Setne, Hercules, Iapetus, Cacus etc.

      As for his powers, well, Percy has a very diverse abilities to do with water, such as trapping, grabbing, solidifying, throwing, and healing. Plus, he can summon Hurricanes so powerful, such as these: "Entire cul-de-sac was engulfed in a hurricane. Percy stood at the edge, unmoved, but the water was churning so fast now that even the giant crocodile lost his footing. Wrecked cars scraped along the pavement. Mailboxes were pulled out of lawns and swept away. The water increased in volume as well as speed, rising up and turning the entire neighborhood into a liquid centrifuge. It was my turn to be stunned. A few moments ago I had decided Percy was no magician. Yet I'd never seen a magician who could control so much water."

      I think this shows powerful Percy's hurricanes are. These type of hurricanes that Percy summon, can deflect the bones Nico summons, or the number of the dead he can summon, since Percy can fight while having his hurricanes defending him, meaning his hurricanes are basically his defence power. The quote above is a perfect example of how powerful Percy's hurricanes are and can be.

      Also, thanks to a user here, since I'm a bit to lazy after writing so much, but Percy is also much more resistant than Nico, such as:

      • Percy was able to withstand the curses laid upon him in TARTARUS:
      • An arrow throught three hearts (Geryon)
      • Gorgon blood (deadly poison) (Phones)
      • and dozens more at the same time....

      Also, if companions can be included, Nico's shadow travel is basically useless. But if we can't, well, I have already explained how Nico can;t shadow travel very short distances, unlike Hazel with her Mist Travel...Like I explained in the other thread in Leo Valdez vs Nico: You guys keep mentioning Nico's Shadow Travel as an advantage. I know Shadow Travel is great, but I've wondered, can Nico Shadow Travel short distances? Throughout the series, he has only been shadow Traveling long distances- several to hundreds to thousands of miles. I know that just because it has never happened, doesn't mean Nico can't do it. But, if find it rather weird. If Nico can Shadow Travel short distances, like in battle, why hasn't he done it yet? Has it not occurred to him yet? Or is Shadow Travel only meant, for well, traveling long distances? Can Nico disappear and reappear in the shadows like Hazel does with her Mist Travel Powers? If Nico can, then it is certainly an advantage over Leo. But if he can't Shadow Travel very short distances (Appearing and Disappearing instantly Like Hazel), while it can't be consider as an advantage, since it would be useless in battle. So, can Nico, Shadow Travel very short distances?

      And like some mentioned: The idea of Nico shadow-traveling short distances are quiet low, like Viral said: The chances of this suddenly occurring to him in this in battle may be quite low.

      While some mentioned the fact that Nico won't waste to much energy shadow-traveling short distances, it's still unknown on how much energy he has to use to reappear and disappear, with all those atoms he has.

      I'll rest my case for now, and forgive me for my low-quality post if I did one, and for writing an extremely long one. But I knew it was coming, so I had to give my best try in a very short time.

      Wow, that was quite deep analysis! First of all, I think a battle between the two would be very tight, but only last seconds, as most duells between masters do. 2 Things to think about; You mentioned Percy fighting Titans and giants which shows that he is a very skilled fighter - > yep, that is true, but both titans and giants seem to rely on strength, not skill, so it takes a different fighting style to kill those than a normal sized teen. You also said that percy killed/destroyed whole armies and many Monsters. However, what you forgot to mention is that for some of These feats he had the curse of Achilles on him, but also that killing a hundred weak soldiers when they are suprised is something else than defeating one skilled swordsman. If I would constantly practice HEMA against 5 people, but all were a lot weaker and less experienced then I am, I would start to develop a different style then from constantly fighting only one very strong oponnent, and the style I would develop would not help me against someone with a lot of skill. I am still not sure who would win but its something to take into consideration before making a final judgement.

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      Also, for the record, I believe it is stated Zeus is the strongest in the Greek Gods book. I specifically remember Percy saying something along the lines of, "Each child [Rhea and Kronos] had was more beautiful and more powerful than the last."

      It said that after the girls. Maybe it meant only for them, not the boys.

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    • I'm kind off suprised actually. I was thought this discussion was ended by now. But it wasn't end, and here goes the pain,

      First, Percy wasn't defeat Ares. I mean, how many times this has been said? Ares was just playing with him. If he were acting seriously, Percy could've been destroyed. Percy stabbed Ares in the heel; yes. But Poseidon helped him secretly too, (this fight happened near the sea, so come and tell me Poseidon didn't ever help Percy there, if you believe that really. Even Percy somehow felt that he was not alone when he was fighting with Ares.) After Percy stabbed Ares, Ares tried to attack Percy again in a fit of rage, but Kronos prevented him. If Kronos wasn't prevented, he would've destroy Percy out of rage. In the series, Ares portrayed as stupid, yes. But he was not that stupid to beating by a twelve years old kid. If he didn't take this fight as a joke, Percy would've die.

      Defeating and injuring Polyphemus...do you know that he was not alone in there, right? Mostly, Annabeth and Tyson were distracting Poly, this is the reason Percy got the chance to defeat him. I'm not saying his sword skills not that good or something like that, I'm saying he was not alone there. By the way, did you guys ever thought this is so weird? I mean, Poseidon made Odysseus’s  life misareble because of he stabbed Poly’s on of the eyes, but in this series, Poseidon didn’t do anything about this at all. So Poseidon... Percy, your another son and his pretty friend Annabeth did the same thing to your son Poly like what Odysseus did, but it was fine when they did it, cause Percy is your another son and he was not a cyclop, monster or something like that so you didn’t care about that, this time? You didn’t even bother to stop your sons to fighting with each other? Well… 

      I don't remember about Anateus scene with details, so I can't talk about that. But about Phobos, I thought, when Percy defeated Akhyls a.k.a Goddess and Personification of Poison and Pain itself with controlling poison and choke her with poison (her own element), this was a huge joke. But I gotta admit that Phobos thing is almost funny as that sh*t. God of Fear, afraid of Percy...Yeah. Sure why not? I mean Percy is a huge Stu after all, as much as I hate to use this term, it is kind off necessary in this situation.    *And remember, both Kronos and Percy had The Curse of Achilles, so this was a very fair fight. I realize that Kronos was not at his strongest, and Percy was, but compared to the others, including Krios, the Titans looked like babies compared to Kronos).  Actually, i never thought Kronos was that a good and scary villain. Comperad to others, maybe, yes. But actually he was a huge joke too. And do you realize this thing, too; Kronos never was in his full strength and power, because he was inside of Luke's body. Kronos even usually saying that when he was inside of the Luke's body, in a human body, he can't use his powers always because this is exhaust him, he can not fighting that much with his true and actual power, not because he was not that powerfull to beating Percy, but because he was in Luke's, a mortal's body. And Curse of Achilles or not, that didn't change this. Kronos couldn't control his true powers when he was inside of the Luke's body.  

      And about,  Otis and Ephialtes, the twin ballet giants, seriosly? They were most stupid, jokable villains in the series. These giants are just there, dancing around. They can grace your dreams with their absurd dances so when you wake up, you can dream about it all day. So ridiculous, seriously. Percy did defeat Thoon? I don't really remember, fresh my memories, please. And Hades, seriously? Again? That was after Curse of Achilles. And don't get me start on Hercules... What was that maybe demigods can't control gods but they can control themselves thing? I wonder really, did Riordan try so hard to portay Hercules as a real jerk in MoA? Yes, maybe he is not a saint, but at least he is someting. And, these villains, giants and others, are all portrayed as weak, dim-witted, stupid characters. So why bother? I really hate all villains in the HoO series, including supposedly evil, scary Gaea and her giants. Gaea graced my dreams with her ponies and her soft singing lullaby song. Like, what did she do, actually and considaribly any evil thing to the Seven? Here is the answer; Nothing.   About Tartarus, I did say about Percy's controlling poison thing was a Mary-Stuish (Yes, again this term). And somebody said to me that; since Tartarus was not a logical place, Percy somehow could control it. I wish it is true, but Achlys were not just a goddess, she was also a personification, How, Percy choking a personification of poison, is make sense still really?   And you need to remember something about Nico. Nico was always alone, he has no friends with him mostly and he was alone under Tartarus, he was captured maybe but at least He managed to survivedon his own in there. (There are much more things he has overcome but this writing becomes too long.) Nico's mental and self strenght, his sword-fighting skills, resilience, durabilty and resistince more better than Percy's

      By the way, I apologize, If I sounded so bitter, I just generally angry about villains portays in the series

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    • Commander Tool Belt here! Dang, it feels good to be back. Happy New Year lads. 

      As much as I love Percy, I feel like his strength depends a lot on the presence of water. Without it, all he has is his swordfighting which is good, but for Percy to be at full strength, he needs water. And creating the water takes too much out of him for him to fight. 

      Nico however, has the earth. Which is everywhere. 

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    • It depends, actually. Percy can create earthquakes too, he has powers over earth like Nico, but in a different way. And there is a thing too; when Nico controls darkness, shadow travel ect. this exhaust him. But this is mostly because of in the BoO, Nico used this all the time. So maybe it can leads us to this; If Percy, like Nico, goes and uses water a long time, this can be exhaust him too. I would say, these supernatural based powers are a little bit tricky. I would rather and prefer to talk about their strengths, intellect, fighting styles and skills than these supernatural powers.

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    • ooh, tough question. But to be honest? I'd go with Nico.

      Reasons? Well, if there was a fight between Percy and Nico, if it was near a body of water, Nico would obviously lose and be at a huge disadvantage. So, for the sake of a fair fight, I'll assume they're on dry ground.

      No, Percy can't control the earth. Have any of you ever noticed that with the children of the big three, one kid controls one element, the other controls the other element? For example, Thalia has more control over lightning than Jason, but Jason can control the winds much better than Thalia. Nico controls the deathly side of Hades/Pluto's power, while Hazel controls the riches and earth. And seeing how powerful Percy is with his water element, I'd say he wouldn't be able to have his Earthshaker abilities.

      Dear people saying that Nico would be drained: hi there! I'll just borrow your attention for a second and drag it over to when Nico says that he would be able to transport the Athena Parthenos to Camp Half Blood by himself in a few shadow-jumps if he wasn't drained. Yes, he almost died ghostifying Bryce, but that was after an unknown amount of time in Tartarus as the giants' prisoner, and a little over a week without air, food or water in the bronze jar. Not to mention the few thousand miles he had already shadow-travelled in the past few days, along with summoning zombies in Pompeii. So, at full power, I reckon Nico would be able to take on Percy, no problem.

      The only factor that would count against Nico in the scenario I'm proposing is Percy's skill with a sword. Obviously we don't know how good Nico is, though we can infer that's he's pretty good from this quote in Hazel's chapters in SoN:

      "This scrawny white boy was no fighter. She certainly hadn't believed they were related.

      She'd changed her mind about that soon enough."

      as well as the fact that Nico survived on his own for years.

      I'd side with Nico for this one, though I'm sure it would be an insanely close match. Probably a tie, but I'm still leaning towards Nico.

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    • Just pointing this out, Percy used earthquake powers to destroy the bridge in TlO, and the iceberg in SoN.

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    • True that. He does have other powers that are not water related. 

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    • Could he have other powers?

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    • He also used his Earthshaker abilities in TBotL, when he destroyed half of Mt. Saint Helens.

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    • NovaBoom wrote: He also used his Earthshaker abilities in TBotL, when he destroyed half of Mt. Saint Helens.

      Oh yeah, I forgot about that one.

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    • Percy has water, Nico can control the dead...no competition for me. Nico, because he could send a ghost army after Percy (which Percy can easily deflect with Riptide and/or Water). After that, Nico can vaporize Percy's existence to be a ghost, like he did to Bryce Lawrence. Plus, they also have their own elements to them that can either make or break the fight. Water can heal or poison Percy (thanks Polybotes...) and Nico could shadow travel away, but ultimately Nico could vanish like a ghost if he uses it constantly and it is not always reliable. Therefore, while it is evenly matched, I support my choice of Nico.

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    • FrozenFever1 wrote:
      Percy has water, Nico can control the dead...no competition for me. Nico, because he could send a ghost army after Percy (which Percy can easily deflect with Riptide and/or Water). After that, Nico can vaporize Percy's existence to be a ghost, like he did to Bryce Lawrence. Plus, they also have their own elements to them that can either make or break the fight. Water can heal or poison Percy (thanks Polybotes...) and Nico could shadow travel away, but ultimately Nico could vanish like a ghost if he uses it constantly and it is not always reliable. Therefore, while it is evenly matched, I support my choice of Nico.

      In these fights people can't leave the Arena. Nico can shadow travel across it, and it's huge, but he can't actually leave it. And Percy cannot be poisoned by water. Polybotes poisoned him with his own aura and snake venom.

      Also, Nico hasn't really been shown to summon entire armies, maybe like 5-15ish but not an army. And Nick can't just turn people to ghost, he needs a lot of energy(which he wouldn't have while summoning ghost and fighting Percy). He also needs to be incredibly upset/emotional and it was partially because Bryce had broken an oath. Percy hasn't broken an oath and so he can't be forced into the Underworld. 

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    • Erick.baez.773 wrote:

      Commander Tool Belt wrote: The one thing I wanted to make clear earlier is this:

      This is a fight between Nico and Percy without help from outside parties. We can thank 8th for making that rule in the Leo vs Nico thread. If you want to confirm that I not bluffing, go there.

      I afraid that means no hellhounds or sparti, (skeleton warriors) for Nico.

      If anyone says anything partaking to that effect, just quote that. Carry on. 📣📣📣

      If that's true, that Nico will never win, never. One of his main advantages over demigods was him summon skeleton warriors. But you're right, that's cheating, and the skeleton warriors are basically helping him. Well, poor Nico, Without that, he doesn't have much to fight Percy.

      he also defeated the minotaur with his bare hands so percy

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    • Nico stated Percy is the most powerful demigod he had ever seen. Period.

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    • Nico also has low self esteem + Jason later saved Percy while they were underwater, showing Jason is stronger and that Nico was wrong. Plus, Nico said Percy is the strongest demigod he ever MET. You don't exactly meet yourself.

      Nico is far superior. He can turn Percy into a ghost for a one-shot, or simple shadow travel behind him and again one-shot. He nearly took down Jason while not even aiming at him just by getting upset. Also, he defeated 6 fully armed and armorer legionaires while severely injured, extremely exhausted and almost gone form the world. That was without using his powers. 

      As far as Demigods go, it's Nico > Hazel > Chrysaor > Hercules > Jason > Percy 

      That's a massive gap, and no amount of water will give Percy the edge, as, once again, he needed to be saved while Jason while they were fighting underwater, which is just embarrassing.

      If you wanna say Percy can outsmart Nico.... maybe? Nico doesn't have any intelligence-based feats. He's shown not to be a moron, that's all. Percy has some good improv skills.

      However, if they were to fight in canon, and if both were in character, Percy would win. Nico's strongest abilities result in people dying, and he ain't doin' that to Percy.

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    • Slytherin Villain wrote:
      I love Nico so much. He has cool under world powers can sommon zombies and shadow travel. :)

      Percy just has water. :(

      WHAT!!!! JUST WATER!!!! R U FREAKIN KIDDING ME!! that's like saying Zeus is just a god. Percy has way more powers than just water he can talk to horses, control ur blood, control poison, make FREAKING HURRICANES!!!!!!,can resist fire  (not like Leo but still), small cyclones, can harden water without freezing it to form shields, fists, can control boats, he can also increase surface tension so he could walk on water so yeah not really "just water"

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    • Rhaeroga wrote:
      Nico also has low self esteem + Jason later saved Percy while they were underwater, showing Jason is stronger and that Nico was wrong. Plus, Nico said Percy is the strongest demigod he ever MET. You don't exactly meet yourself.

      Nico is far superior. He can turn Percy into a ghost for a one-shot, or simple shadow travel behind him and again one-shot. He nearly took down Jason while not even aiming at him just by getting upset. Also, he defeated 6 fully armed and armorer legionaires while severely injured, extremely exhausted and almost gone form the world. That was without using his powers. 

      As far as Demigods go, it's Nico > Hazel > Chrysaor > Hercules > Jason > Percy 

      That's a massive gap, and no amount of water will give Percy the edge, as, once again, he needed to be saved while Jason while they were fighting underwater, which is just embarrassing.

      If you wanna say Percy can outsmart Nico.... maybe? Nico doesn't have any intelligence-based feats. He's shown not to be a moron, that's all. Percy has some good improv skills.

      However, if they were to fight in canon, and if both were in character, Percy would win. Nico's strongest abilities result in people dying, and he ain't doin' that to Percy.

      Lol, do you actually think that it will be that easy to turn Percy into a ghost? Nico has only used this power once, and that was when the fate of the entire world was at risk. I highly doubt that Nico could actually use it in this scenario. That is just like saying that Percy could instantly control Nico's blood and kill him.

      In addition, do you really think Percy will just wait for Nico to turn him into a ghost? He wouldn't even let Nico get close to him and will be constantly distracting him. Nico can also shadow travel, but this won't be very effective since this is a short distance fight and Percy knows about Nico's shadow travel. Therefore, if Nico suddenly disappears, Percy will expect it and won't just stsand there and let Nico stab him. Of course Nico, did take down six legionnaires but that is NOTHING compared to Percy's swordfighting feats. Percy managed to defeat Ares, at the age of 12 with no prior experience. He also defeated a lot of the First and Second legion with considerable ease. Percy has held his own and defeated multiple giants and titans and compared to that, Nico defeating a few legionnaires is basically nothing. 

      About your point saying Percy was taken down Polybotes while he was in the water, well Polybotes was basically the bane of Percy and his father. His very presence could make Percy sickly and weak and he could basically turn water into poison that had a horrid negative effect on Percy's body so in that situation, him fighting in water was actually a disadvantage. 

      Besides, It is virtually impossible to gauge who will win out of these two demigods with just their skill and power. There are simply too much different scenarios that may occur. 

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    • SayuriDarling wrote:
      MY BABY PERCY JACKSON AND MY BABY NICO DI ANGELO LORD HAVE MERCY SOMEONE HOLD ME

      Who would win in a fight? Vote for your favorite here.

      Nico di Angelo is way cooler than Percy Jackson.

      Firstly, Jackson gets everything as a cake with a cherry on top, whilst Nico has to fight for survival living in the sewers. I mean Jackson is the son of a sea god and nico gets to be the son of a death god. Its not Jackson's fault that it worked out like that, but at least he could be a bit more friendly.

      Secondly, Nico's sister dies when he is only 10 years old. I mean how sad that must be for him. Just to make matters worse Nico was unawere that anything had happened to his sister until Jackson decided to come and break his heart by telling him the truth.

      Thirdly, Nico di Angelo grew up in a war stricken time in history where he barely knew who he was. Then his mother gets killed, his memory gets wiped, and then preserved in time for another 70 years. What could be worse?

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    • Alistor King wrote:
      SayuriDarling wrote:
      MY BABY PERCY JACKSON AND MY BABY NICO DI ANGELO LORD HAVE MERCY SOMEONE HOLD ME

      Who would win in a fight? Vote for your favorite here.

      Nico di Angelo is way cooler than Percy Jackson.

      Firstly, Jackson gets everything as a cake with a cherry on top, whilst Nico has to fight for survival living in the sewers. I mean Jackson is the son of a sea god and nico gets to be the son of a death god. Its not Jackson's fault that it worked out like that, but at least he could be a bit more friendly.

      Secondly, Nico's sister dies when he is only 10 years old. I mean how sad that must be for him. Just to make matters worse Nico was unawere that anything had happened to his sister until Jackson decided to come and break his heart by telling him the truth.

      Thirdly, Nico di Angelo grew up in a war stricken time in history where he barely knew who he was. Then his mother gets killed, his memory gets wiped, and then preserved in time for another 70 years. What could be worse?

      So what if he's cooler? We're talking about a fight here, and the "cool-factor" won't help Nico.

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    • You sounded like an idiot indeed. This is an "imaginary fight" where we debate who has the upper hand if it comes down to it. It's purely hypothetical. Jeez.
      And when two demigods fight, it's demigod against demigod, not whatever minions one can send against the other. You do realize that Percy doesn't need to kill the skeletons, he just has to distract them long enough to get to Nico and incapacitate him? Also, by your logic, since all powers are permitted, Percy can just summon pegasi and fly around,bombarding Nico with attacks without being reached by a single skeleton.

      Likewise, Nico can just block off any source of water that Percy makes (provided it isn't a big body of water), and skeletons are a mere portion of what he can do. Emphasizing on "Oh Nico can make skeletons no one can destroy!" is just stupid. He can literally send souls to damnation. He can freaking teleport across the battlefield. He has a Stygian Iron sword that is arguably more dangerous than any other "blessed metal" because it can harm both the mortal and immortal part of a demigod and even can prevent monsters from reforming. And you're talking about skeletons?

      Not to forget that Percy is the son of Poseidon. That doesn't mean Percy likes swimming around like a mermaid and make pretty waterworks. In contact with water, he gets superhuman agility, speed, strength, to the point that he can rival a god. Ares wasn't too happy about that wasn't he? I think in one books it was stated that Percy can control 10k gallons of water. I don't know if you realize it, but that kind of volume plus pressurizing can literally tear your head of your shoulders. Oh, and he can make solid water shields, walk on water and manipulate giant hands. And did I mention summoning storms, hurricanes, and earthquakes.

      To be honest, I really do think your post is irrelevant, since you simplifying things from a battle between arguably two of the most powerful demigods in history to a "Percy can't kill skeletons!" skirmish. Really?

      I personally think that if they truly fought they could level at least half a city (assuming each of them have close contact to their preferred elements, such as graveyards, ocean, etc..).

      Again, I remind you this is purely hypothetical and for fun. And please don't pull the "why would Percy and Nico even be fighting? Unless it's because they don't have a choice which equals... FLOOSH All morals off"  off again. That's against the point of the whole debate.

      But screw that, this is the internet here's my opinion you didn't need shoved in your face. ;)

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    • Percy

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    • Nico scares Jason and can send people to the underworld at will. BAM MY BABY NICO WINS

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    • NicO SEnDs PeOPlE To UnDERwOrLD = NiCO WinS

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    • HypnoIsco wrote:
      You sounded like an idiot indeed. This is an "imaginary fight" where we debate who has the upper hand if it comes down to it. It's purely hypothetical. Jeez.
      And when two demigods fight, it's demigod against demigod, not whatever minions one can send against the other. You do realize that Percy doesn't need to kill the skeletons, he just has to distract them long enough to get to Nico and incapacitate him? Also, by your logic, since all powers are permitted, Percy can just summon pegasi and fly around,bombarding Nico with attacks without being reached by a single skeleton.

      Agreed...

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    • All powers at play, Nico would win, unless they were fighting around a large body of water,his ability to summon undead skeletons is part of his power,no more than Percy summoning hurricanes. People forget that he was badly weakened during his trips with Reyna, she herself commented on how his power gree as his strength recovered, Jason was freaking scared of Nico Even in his weakened state and admitted he would be too much for him

      Nico can also manipulate dreams too,he sent dreams towards all the mortals on a ship and put them to sleep, shocking Reyna


      All powers at play,Nico wins this Swordfight alone, Percy holds the advantage Near a large body of water, Percy holds the advantage In a neutral setting or in the underworld, Nico holds the advantage

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    • I honestly don't feel like arguing, but a "neutral" location would be one that didn't serve both ends. Which means the need to choose a place with no water and no dead bodies, so no skeletons Nico. This "neutral" setting probably won't happen, so yes to Nico's skeletons, but let me just remind you that Percy summoned water from inside a freaking volcano. So they'd both be able to use their powers in the right circumstances.  Also, this isn't Avatar where people throw elemental magic around. Powers really drain demigods, which is why they depend on weapons so much, and we all know whose swordplay is better.

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