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  • Hazel was brought back to life, so could maybe Jason be brought back to life?

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    • Hazel was brought back to life only because the Doors of Death were opened by Gaia, so Nico was able to smuggle her back to life, also, is implied that Hades allowed it to happened, because not only Hazel is his daugther, she had to fulfill her destiny in the Second Great Prophecy, she wasn't meant to die in Alaska. None of these circumstances aply to Jason, is up to Riordan to decide if he could be resurrected or not. Honestly, I want to believe that he has a plan in mind to bring back Jason at the end of ToA, so let's wait for the next two books and cross our fingers.

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    • I've never really liked Jason, but the way he died, no matter how heroic that was appeared to be, it was not, he can't died just like that, beside, I remember that he looks like he whispered something to Tempest before he fell, we still don't know what he actually said right, it couldn't be "hey bud, just left me die here, make sure the other safe" which so Jason btw, but I hope there is something more about his death. It doesn't have to be resurrection, just something more.

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    • I honestly doubt he'll be brought back. Which is unfortunate, because I literally JUST got attached to his character before he died.

      Anyway, when Hazel was brought back, there was a lot of chaos with the Doors of Death. Many people and monsters escaped due to Thanatos being chained and the Doors left open. This allowed Hazel to escape as well. However, now that it's all back to normal, Jason can't get out the same way Hazel did.

      Plus, when Jason talked about how he found the Sybil and was given the prophecy that either he or Piper would die, he specified that it meant permanent death. He made it sound like there was really no going back.

      I hope we'll at least get to see him in Elysium though.

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    • ah yeah I forgot that Sybil part, well, I personally think that being brought back would be to cliche. Have a little chat in underworld? see him choosing to be reincarnated? we've seen that with Bianca. Maybe we'll be introduced to his incarnation, hahaha sorry for the absurd idea, well, let's hope Riordan could come up with fresher idea for him, after all he was Jason, like the son of freakin' Zeus, the second strongest demigod after Percy (yeah he is still my boy), the thing is, his death should get more story than this.

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    • Jason being brought back would be one of Rick's worst decisions along with letting Leo live again and giving Percy 0 Maturity 

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    • It would be so cliche and cheap. Jason's death was sad, but I do not want him brought back. Sometimes death is necessary for the plot and story. Characters deaths are sad and tragic, but bringing characters back to life again...it's getting old. Leo was cheated death, Hazel was cheated death, and I think that's enough. Story needed to some of the main characters dying, so it happened and Jason died. And I hope Riordan won't brought back him again. 

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    • too bad Riordan choose Jason to die, when Jason finally find a new purpose of his life, build a better roman, uniting greek and roman yet he couldn't stay long enough to see it fully comes true

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    • I HAVEN’T READ THE BURNING MAZE YET! PLEASE DON’T SPOIL IT!!!!!!!!

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    • Yes, I agree.

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    • Ryan187591 wrote:
      I HAVEN’T READ THE BURNING MAZE YET! PLEASE DON’T SPOIL IT!!!!!!!!

      there is a big red exclamation mark spoiler alert warning for The Burning Maze on the top of the page, don't say you didn't get warned ._.

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    • I mean I kinda get Jason dying. It wasn't totally random. He died in TLH but came back because the Doors were open so he was living on borrowed time anyway. In the next book maybe Frazel will die. You know Frank's stick and Hazel also returned from the Doors so maybe Hades/Pluto has her last on the list because she is his daughter.

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    • I do not think Hades/Pluto will let Hazel live this time, if she will die again. He let her to live before, and that was because of the prophecy. And, if Hades can bring back his children to life whenever he wants, what's the meaning of these deaths? He could bring back Maria to life, his lover, for example. And he wanted to do that, but he didn't, because of that was against the rules of the death and life circle. He could bring back Bianca, but he didn't do that either. Hades has a job as the God of the Underworld, he makes sure 'dead people stay as dead, and dead people stay in the underworld.' So, if Hazel will die again, I do not think he bring her back to life, even if she is his daughter.

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    • as much as i want to believe jason will pull a leo and come back from the dead its highly unlikely. In BoO, when Leo is presumed "dead",you can tell Rick took a lighter tone with the grief. However in Jason's death scene the grief is heavy,especially in Piper. Thats who I knew we had most likely seen the last of Jason. Plus,Apollo had said multiple times that he was gone for good. His skin where they would him was white which usually means perma death. The only thing that bugs me about this is if you remember in BoO, Jason has a vision of himself with Piper in the future talking to their grandkids? This could have been just one version of the future but if in the 5th book that line comes back, I wouldn't be surprised. Rick must know/remember that scenario and will either explain it or bring him back to life.

      Also does anyone find it ironic that Leo "died" to save Jason and Piper, but in the end Jason ended up dying to save Piper and Leo? Maybe this is the last line in the Great Prophecy coming to play? If thats the case then I guess Gaea got the last laugh after all.

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    • I hope so. I don't care what anybody says or thinks. I just hope he does.

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    • Annabeth and Percy wrote:
      I hope so. I don't care what anybody says or thinks. I just hope he does.

      personally im conflicted. on one hand i want him to see leo again but on the other i think rick was trying to show that demigods dont live long and can be killed at any given moment

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    • Leo should just die again but permanently this time so he could see Jason. Leo finding and falling for Calypso was the worst thing that happened since raisins were put on muffins.

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    • Inton Raiha wrote:
      Leo should just die again but permanently this time so he could see Jason. Leo finding and falling for Calypso was the worst thing that happened since raisins were put on muffins.

      how about no. leo wouldnt die on purpose and i dont think rick has any intention to kill him off

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    • Nngh, I have mixed feelings about Jason. Character-wise, he was great for HoO, but he wouldn't serve as much purpose in the newer book plots. If Rick makes the decision to kill off the rest of the seven, though, that might be a problem. 

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    • Imagine though, this is a great chance for Piper character-wise. Before, she was completely reliant on Jason. Now that he is dead, Piper will have to learn how to function as a character without him.

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    • What if he became a Lar?

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    • Whitehorse24 wrote:
      What if he became a Lares.

      ...Maybe? It's an interesting thought.

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    • Klimenreal wrote:
      Whitehorse24 wrote:
      What if he became a Lares.
      ...Maybe? It's an interesting thought.

      Those Lares remind me of the ghosts of Hogwarts.

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    • aren't Lares only for cowards? (just like ghost of Hogwarts, I mean) any demigod, especially one as brave as Jason would deny or run away from death

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    • 'run away from death'... Well, of course Riordan will not write as that way, if he will decide to brought back Jason. He simply can find an another way to write this, with some 'logical' explanation.

      Like...'Jason came back to life because of he wanted to help CJ's redoing, so he decided to become one of the ghosts of CJ, he wanted to help his friends, he couldn't left them just like that, so he decided to do this.' or something like that.

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    • I really hope so, but I don't think he will be brought back, firstly because there's no way for him to come back, secondly because this will make the story sort of cliche.

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    • oh, sorry I kinda misunderstood what Lares are. I just checked Lares description, they aren't wandering spirits or ghosts, they actually some kind of guardian deities, household gods (similar to minor gods, maybe?), which the origin itself are uncertain. So yeah, its possible if somehow Jupiter decides to make Jason become one of them, it would be logical, Jason could continue to watch over and influence Rome for, well, forever maybe.

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    • I don't want Jason to come back to life. I am so tired of characters coming back to life.

      Jason dies in the Lost Hero. He is revived with the power of love by a girl he barely knows. Even Juno called bull on that.

      Hazel is brought back from the underworld. Even confronted with Death himself, Death gives her a pass and let's her continue to live.

      Leo dies in a noble sacrifice... only to be revealed he is a liar that let his friends think he was dead (and think they had the real cure) so he could go find his abusive, I mean, charming girlfriend who is no way awful to Leo nor OOC.

      By constantly reviving characters, the author makes it clear that there are absolutely no stakes at risk, thus destroying any tension. Jason needs to stay dead. I don't think we have had a good main character death since the Last Olympian. The biggest deaths we've had lately is Bob and Damasen and, as sad as they are, those two aren't major characters in any way.

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    • Isn't that weird that only main character who died was Luke, and he is technically one of the villains, not heroes. (Yeah, yeah, I know. He was the hero and he redeemed himself but he was in the Titan's side so he wasn't your tpyical goody-goody hero just like the other ones in the series.)

      So, we had actually none dead-main-character, even in the PJO series. (And don't get me started on HoO) 

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    • If we do not counting Luke, yes, we had no dead main character who is a hero of the story. And yes, Luke was a hero, but he wasn't one of the heroes of the story. Like Percy, Annabeth or Thalia...you get it.

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    • Why dont we just go write out our own stories on Wattpad...

      Rip out a good story like uhhhh...

      "Rick Riordan. Except everybody lives" or something. AND THEN give sum credit to this thread and Riordan for inspiration :3 

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    • OK, slightly different question - since the prophecy Jason heard said that he would die permanently, how would Riordan go about bringing Jason back if he wanted to? :(

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    • I really think that Jason will come back, maybe towards the end he will magically appear or something, i dont know. Maybe when everyone things there is no hope or something. Like someone said, Rick did include this scene were Jason is with Piper and their grandchildren and he is telling them about the great battle, and the kids dont believe him (lol, that is so me). Rick has to explain that scene, and who knows, maybe he was in a good mood when he wrote that scene and then he was like "Let me mess with the readers feeling". It would be cool if they include the Carter and Saddie and Magnus.... oooh, that would be awesome. They could bring Jason back to life and.... my mind is going crazy with all the possibilities. I cant wait for the next book!!

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    • wait, I am not sure but this popped up in my mind.... Aren't the demigods bodies burned when they die? I am not sure if I am wrong or something or maybe I just forgot, but I dont remember anyone being buried in Camp-half blood. I mean, if they are buried there, shouldn't there be a graveyard for all the people that died during the Last Olympian and the battle of Gaea? And if there is, why isnt it on the map. There is a possibility the bodies were given to their families, but most demigods either run away, or not that close to their family, and there was bound to be one or another demigod with no family or close relations. Do you all get my point? Why are they burying Jason, instead of burning him or whatever they did to all the others. Correct me if I am wrong, but isnt this strange? Or maybe Rick forgot, i mean, i think I saw this character in his books with different eye colors in every book (dont remember which one, maybe i just made that up) so maybe her forgot of that moment of Jason with his family and stuff.

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    • You can check out here, i think it can answer your question;

      http://riordan.wikia.com/wiki/Burial_Shroud

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    • i think maybe apollo would ask zeus to revive the fallen instead of being a god again and zeus would bring back jason and there rest that die so hopefully it ends like that

      VidiaPhoenix wrote:
      I don't want Jason to come back to life. I am so tired of characters coming back to life.

      Jason dies in the Lost Hero. He is revived with the power of love by a girl he barely knows. Even Juno called bull on that.

      Hazel is brought back from the underworld. Even confronted with Death himself, Death gives her a pass and let's her continue to live.

      Leo dies in a noble sacrifice... only to be revealed he is a liar that let his friends think he was dead (and think they had the real cure) so he could go find his abusive, I mean, charming girlfriend who is no way awful to Leo nor OOC.

      By constantly reviving characters, the author makes it clear that there are absolutely no stakes at risk, thus destroying any tension. Jason needs to stay dead. I don't think we have had a good main character death since the Last Olympian. The biggest deaths we've had lately is Bob and Damasen and, as sad as they are, those two aren't major characters in any way.

      excuse me but this is meant for kids also so its fine if he gets revived 

      plus jason probably will and if you have a problem with that good for you i am giving my suggestion 

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    • Well, we've only seen Camp Half-Blood burial shrouds. This would be a first time for Camp Jupiter. They could do something different.

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    • Annabeth and Percy wrote: Well, we've only seen Camp Half-Blood burial shrouds. This would be a first time for Camp Jupiter. They could do something different.

      (edit) I just realized how bad my comment sounded before so let me say it in another way. It would be interesting if something occurred (like it always does) and I want to see if Zeus takes action on the fact that Jason Dies. I mean, why didnt Zeus take pity in his favorite Demigod son? (basically only one alive... well... technically dead now) like he did with Thalia? If he did it like that to punish Apollo, that is a freaking low hit. I am just curious on how everyone will react. Will the funeral go right? Will a war start out? Idk

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    • . . . That would be horrible.

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    • Leo dies in a noble sacrifice... only to be revealed he is a liar that let his friends think he was dead (and think they had the real cure) so he could go find his abusive, I mean, charming girlfriend who is no way awful to Leo nor OOC.

      get a life man spending ur time thinking about none existing charecters just so that u could hide the fact that ur a total loser

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    • Zeus could do the same to him as he did to Hercules.

      Whatever, I just hope he comes back. He is one of my favorite characters (and has not finished honoring the minor gods)

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    • Isn't it against the rules? Like, you know, calling people a total loser. We are sharing our opinions, and discussing, so why the insult?

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    • DamonHerondale18 wrote: Zeus could do the same to him as he did to Hercules.

      Whatever, I just hope he comes back. He is one of my favorite characters (and has not finished honoring the minor gods)

      He is not going to get revived. It said permanent death.

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    • Pipersvaldez wrote:

      Annabeth and Percy wrote:
      I hope so. I don't care what anybody says or thinks. I just hope he does.

      personally im conflicted. on one hand i want him to see leo again but on the other i think rick was trying to show that demigods dont live long and can be killed at any given moment

      If that was true, how does Percy survive all the time? (I don't want him to die, but I'm curious) He's like, almost immortal. I know he trained down godhood but either way, he cannot be killed by any monsters or god's, or titans or giants. Ok, maybe the gods can incinerate him, but that's beside the point. Point is, before Jason's death o remember seeing pages and pages on this wiki about how everyone feels that his romance with Piper was strained and only there because it had to be. I would have liked Reyson better. Once he died, we feel for him and want it back.

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    • Percy can not die, because he is fans's favorite...

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    • NyxHemera4562 wrote:

      Pipersvaldez wrote:

      Annabeth and Percy wrote:
      I hope so. I don't care what anybody says or thinks. I just hope he does.
      personally im conflicted. on one hand i want him to see leo again but on the other i think rick was trying to show that demigods dont live long and can be killed at any given moment

      If that was true, how does Percy survive all the time? (I don't want him to die, but I'm curious) He's like, almost immortal. I know he trained down godhood but either way, he cannot be killed by any monsters or god's, or titans or giants. Ok, maybe the gods can incinerate him, but that's beside the point. Point is, before Jason's death o remember seeing pages and pages on this wiki about how everyone feels that his romance with Piper was strained and only there because it had to be. I would have liked Reyson better. Once he died, we feel for him and want it back.

      Any God could incinerate Percy, but Percy is actually quite intelligent and crafty. He uses pride against them (For example, instead of them vaporizing him, Percy basically says "Why don't you come and fight me yourself?") If he didn't use the intelligence he had, he would be dead by... The Sea of Monsters, possibly?

      In my opinion on Jiper, it started off much too quickly. It began to develop slowly and actually become something properly developed... But that's not really what we're talking about, right?

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    • We are getting away from the topic but...like, being intelligent or crafty does matter to gods. And by that example...If a demigod says something like that, this means that..it's his/her end. With a simple fingering, gods can kill and destroy them so easily. Mortals and demigods are simply like  incests or tools to gods. Take Odysseus for example, he was intelligent and crafty as hell and was a skillful fighter, but when it comes to Poseidon, he had no chance against him.
      Or Achilles, a skillful fighter who was also pretty intelligent, but he had no change against Apollo.
      Or Hercules, who was a powerful, skillful and a smart demigod, but he had no chance against Hera's madness curse. He couldn't do anything against her, and because of Hera's madness curse, his family was killed by his own hands.
      And this list goes on and on. 

      And, Jiper aka Jasper..... my favorite. 

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    • Jason cant be brought back. It is so very sad... I guess Apollo will have pull out some magic strings after he becomes a god... If he ever does... I really liked him

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    • Jason's death was surprised me. I never thought that Riordan could kill one of his main characters or one of the 7, in that case. It was sad, I felt sorry for Piper and Jason. And I felt sorry for Leo, Thalia and Reyna. I felt sorry for Jason's friends, the other part of the Seven and Nico. I wonder what will be their expressions. Leo didn't see Jason before his death, and There are so many things that lost... We could've seen Thalia's and Jason's family and sibling reunion much more, that how they're talking or somehow spending time together. And we could've seen Jason's friendship with Reyna, that he was trying to fix their relationship after the war. And, We could've seen Jason's helping the reviving camp jupiter. It was really sad that he died, however, I do not want him to brought back again. Sometimes the most powerful demigods can die in the war, they are not invincible, it's sad that they're dying but I think, what makes the villains as an actual and real threaths and what makes and feels war as real is...well, the deaths of the heroes. Without anyone dying, I think, that makes the war rather flat and pointless, and makes villains are...well, pointless, too. War can take important things from people's hands. Jason's death was sad but realistic at the same time. So..in my opinion, as his death was sad thing to happen, i do not think Riordan's brought back him again is something a good thing to do. 

      (and sorry for my bad English, it's not my native language but I'm trying to develop my grammar.)

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    • Jason cannot and should not be brought back. Leo should go next. Calypso can live her entire mortal life miserable. END. 

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    • Oh, boy...you're in danger. 

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    • They can try me.

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    • Guys, I'm not sure if Jason going to be brought back. I was rereading the blood of Olympus after I learned of Jason death and found this. In chapter 54 of Blood of Olympus, it says this "He was sitting in a rocking chair on the front porch of a house on the California coast. Piper was serving lemonade. Her hair was grey." Page 136 The rest of that page and a third of the next one are all about Jason and Piper's future. They had grandkids and are telling the story of their battles. So the question is, is this the real future? Or Jason mind? It seemed too detailed to be a fantasy but not possible now that Jason Grace is dead. 

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    • Exactly. This is the first thing that came to my mind when I read Jason's death. It can be an illusion and in Jason's mind. It's weird but...I remember now that in the Blood of Olympus, Hazel and Frank and Nico have a conversation about the future and about Hazel and Frank's future marriage. Not that relevant but, It's just came to my mind too, after thinking about Jason's death.

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    • Eh. Frank/Hazel's marriage is wishful thinking. We all know Hazel is living on borrowed time. I don't get all the delusional people wanting Jason back. Characters dying are the only parts of his writing that isn't a happy go lucky adventure, middle school couples with little to no characters. Good Job writing Children's Books for 13 years. His readers definitely stayed kids.

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    • Plus, it's fine too that Jason's death was made Caligula as an actual and real threat, think about it: we had zero actual and real villain in the HoO series, everyone and everything was a real joke. Even Gaea and the Giants, who were supposedly the main villains in the books were all lack of gravity and they all were hilarious. Now we have Caligula, finally, a real and an actual threat. And I'm sick of all characters have happy ending and sing songs, and I was so sick of that all villains are dumb, pointless idiots who are just a lapdog of the demigods in the story. 

      I'm fourteen and I do not want Jason brought back again, I said that before but whatever.

      Hazel/Frank's marriage is a wishful thing, but we all know that Riordan has a thing about giving all his special characters to happy endings. So, I'm thinking Hazel and Frank's 'wishful thinking' is/was %99,99 reflects reality. 

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    • All of what is being said is true. But Rick stories are based off of mythology. In these original myths people have been brought back from the dead lots of time and in different ways. Rick could parrel one of these myths to bring back Jason.

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    • Yes, but Riordan used these things many times, with Hazel and with Leo. 

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    • I am taking an example from Harry Potter series where the target audience was younger than here, but the villain was depicted as a bloodthirsty guy and all that, and he killed at least ten people. Here the target audience is mature enough to understand death and yet, Rick refused to make the villains actually do something, well, vile. In PJO, Luke/Kronos didn't actually do anything to qualify as a better villain than Voldemort. I mean, they have threatened the demigods millions of times but always, they slip away. At least one good major character death makes us understand that the author is not afraid to take risks and kill characters in order for the story to progress. Like Sirius Black, or Tris Prior etc. So I appreciate that Rick could actually do this after all his happy endings and stuff because none of his villains yet has made an impact. After Kronos, Gaia and the giants, who are supposedly invincible, died, but the demigods who are mortal and have a short life, survived. In TOA, none of the Triumvirate actually made a mark. We never actually got to see the true extent of Caligula's rage or temper, in particular. At least Commodus was explained in flashbacks and Nero was explained through Meg's history. So this one move will convince us that Caligula is a real badass viallin. I completely disagree with all of you who want Jason back. Stay dead, I say. Because only then will both readers and characters understand that no demigod's life is forever and life is transient etc

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    • Maybe Jason will chose to be reborn.

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    • I agree, but I want to add something---Luke and Kronos were better villains than the Gaea and the Giants, because at least they were killed someone. But, the main problem is, even some characters ended up dying- they were all minor characters, not the main ones. I think Riordan used this strategy to not to kill one of his main characters. We've met with Zoe and Bianca in the 3rd book, and in the same book, they both died. Their deaths was sad maybe, but we didn't know them longer and much, therefore, they weren't the main characters. Like, for example, their deaths can not be the same to Sirius's and Dobby's deaths. And when we take Silena and Charles, they were minors too. We've even barely knew them. And the other ones who died in the war, also minor characters- much minor, even. Kronos could've killed at least 30 people,  but Camp Half blood only lost 16 people. Yes, only 16. When Kronos's side were lost hundreds of demigods. And tell me this isn't BS. HoO....well, suck. And Rick wanted to us believe that the Giants and Gaea were actually real threats? Yeah, wait me to buy this crap. 

      You can not write a story like this, you're making fun of all your villains. Why all villains are like that suck? Seriously, I'm asking this. And not just the minor villains, they all suck, even the main villains, arch villains in the story. Without a single death, you can write a good story? Yeah, right. But not in the fantasy book, when there are villains like Gaea and the Giants around. Not when the supposedly big wars happening here and there. If none of the characters ended up dying, then it wouldn't be realistic and I think that the author is a coward and doesn't respect his/her villains and the real circumstances of war, and the threat of death and life situations. And killing only the minor characters is proves that author is coward x10 times, because the author is killing only the minor characters to avoid killing his/her main characters of the story. 

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    • Icananisa wrote:
      I've never really liked Jason, but the way he died, no matter how heroic that was appeared to be, it was not, he can't died just like that, beside, I remember that he looks like he whispered something to Tempest before he fell, we still don't know what he actually said right, it couldn't be "hey bud, just left me die here, make sure the other safe" which so Jason btw, but I hope there is something more about his death. It doesn't have to be resurrection, just something more.

      I think Rioridan has a plan. I dont think hes going to be brought back to life though

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    • I think there is still a posibility for Jason to return AND have a permanent death. Don´t forget what Jason did for Apollo. He tried to calm Zeus, after the battle with the Giants, He saved Apollos live while he sacrificed himself. Moreover Jasons always wanted to praise the Gods. No one should ever be forgotten. What if Apollo, after he regained his godly powers again, make Jason a minor God? He can do it. Even Harcules became a God AFTER he died. Over all it would fit. Uncle Rick has written nearly everythink exept a mortal who gets immortal. Yes Percy had the Chance, but he declined. So that Position is still empty.

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    • UlqiFairy-Fan wrote: I think there is still a posibility for Jason to return AND have a permanent death. Don´t forget what Jason did for Apollo. He tried to calm Zeus, after the battle with the Giants, He saved Apollos live while he sacrificed himself. Moreover Jasons always wanted to praise the Gods. No one should ever be forgotten. What if Apollo, after he regained his godly powers again, make Jason a minor God? He can do it. Even Harcules became a God AFTER he died. Over all it would fit. Uncle Rick has written nearly everythink exept a mortal who gets immortal. Yes Percy had the Chance, but he declined. So that Position is still empty.


      Yeah i kind of agree with you. I personally love Jason as a character and despite what many people say about his death being necessary, i beleive the contrary. I understand that Rick could have implemented his death into the story in order to show that the threat of death is a real thing since all his other books seemed to find a way around it, but Jason’s death was too big a move in my opinion. It was heart wrenching and terribly sad, but for such a major character with so much promise and such a big future ahead of him, the way he died simply doesn’t seem like something Rick would do. Then again maybe thats the whole point haha. But an idea i had is that maybe by the end of the 5th book of TOA, Apollo will have matured enough that by the time Zeus offers to turn him back into a God, Apollo rejects the offer and instead asks for Jason Grace to be brought back. In this grand gesture of humility maybe Zeus brings back Jason AND makes Apollo a God for learning his lesson. But honestly i think I’m just telling myself this so i dont break down in tears over Jason’s death lol. Guess we’ll have to wait until 2020 to see.

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    • To be absolutely honest i cried when Zoë died, when Beckendorf died, even when Silena Beauregard died. But sadly, I couldn't cry for Jason, no matter how much I tried. Maybe it's because Silena and Beckendorf finally found a new purpose in life just before they died, and Zoë had just warmed up to Percy, but just before Jason died, he had broken up with Piper, and he had moved on to school and all that, and the life he led became less interesting, and I had never really liked him. Even if he were my favorite character, it's the way he goes that makes you want to cry or just doesn't bother you. His death, though heroic, came when his life began to suck, because the Sibyl told him that he would die and to save Piper, he broke up with her and all that.

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    • I think all the 7 will die by book 5, and Apollo would ask Zeus to revive them instead of giving him immortality.

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    • Whoa, what? Well that's....exaggerating. Brought back Jason? Yes, for sure, even if this is still eye-rolling. But all 7 will die and then all of them brought back again? Boy, it's breaking the 4th wall.

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    • NyxHemera4562 wrote: To be absolutely honest i cried when Zoë died, when Beckendorf died, even when Silena Beauregard died. But sadly, I couldn't cry for Jason, no matter how much I tried. Maybe it's because Silena and Beckendorf finally found a new purpose in life just before they died, and Zoë had just warmed up to Percy, but just before Jason died, he had broken up with Piper, and he had moved on to school and all that, and the life he led became less interesting, and I had never really liked him. Even if he were my favorite character, it's the way he goes that makes you want to cry or just doesn't bother you. His death, though heroic, came when his life began to suck, because the Sibyl told him that he would die and to save Piper, he broke up with her and all that.

      Well it was actually Piper who broke up with Jason no? Piper felt that their relationship was based on Hera’s lie and the only reason they stayed together was because of everything that was going on during THoO (which is complete bull by the way). Throughout The Burning Maze it is shown that they still care for each other. Sadly we dont get an exact explanation as to why they broke up but thats what we can infer. Piper just wanted to define herself alone instead of with Jason. Jason seems to still love Piper because he stops himself a few times from saying “Pipes” and i mean the guy sacrificed himself so that Piper could live. After that Breakdown Piper had maybe she realized just how much she still loved him. Jason was too big a character like i said to be killed off like that. Rick could just be doing what many other shows/movies do, he’ll seemingly kill off a character and after the tears are shed and he gets the reaction he wanted, he bring him back. In my opinion Piper and Jason were great together, the reasons for breaking up are completely irrelevant after THoO so i really really hope Jason comes back and Piper gets some sense knocked into her amd they get back together. But it could just be my wistful thinking haha.

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    • Why this is complete bull? Piper was true, their relationship was basically based on Hera's and Aphrodite's manipulation and lies. It was an illusion, which, it was explained in the books. 

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    • Delariona wrote: Why this is complete bull? Piper was true, their relationship was basically based on Hera's and Aphrodite's manipulation and lies. It was an illusion, which, it was explained in the books. 

      Haha yeah i get that but i mean despite their relationship starting off with Hera’s lie, throughout all the books Piper and Jason both prove that they love esch other in real life. Jason even gives up his home camp in camp Jupiter to stay with Piper. Rick spends a lot of time describing what they feel for each other in the books so the reasoning of “Our relationship was based on a lie” is irrelevant at this pont you know? After everything they have been through, they show that they do love each other so the way they just abruptly broke up was bull in my opinion lol.

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    • I think it's a realization; Piper realized that even Jason and she have feelings for each other, it was because of all that illusions and lies in the first place. It's not so much a bull or irrelevent. Nobody wants so live in a dellusions and illusions. I consider that Piper's breaking up with Jason as Piper's being a mature and her realizes the truth.

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    • Delariona wrote: I think it's a realization; Piper realized that even Jason and she have feelings for each other, it was because of all that illusions and lies in the first place. It's not so much a bull or irrelevent. Nobody wants so live in a dellusions and illusions. I consider that Piper's breaking up with Jason as Piper's being a mature and her realizes the truth.

      You make a really good point and maybe your right, but like i said, the entire THoO series worked so hard to prove to the reader that Piper and Jason had something real going on. I understand that Hera’s lie and the false memories obviously influenced their feelings and relationship, but they never kept them going. Piper was influenced sure, but she decided to try to get with Jason for real. After they got together for real they developed their love for each other and i mean at the end of TBoO it shows that they really do love each other so i guess since thats the last memory we have of them until the burning maze, for Rick to just casually state that they broke up felt really abrupt, especially given that like i said he worked so hard in the previous series to show that they had something real going on. I personally found them to be OTP so maybe its just my personal feelings that make it hard for me to believe how they broke up lol. I still hope Jason comes back and Piper and him get bsck together thoo 🤷‍♂️.

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    • I understand your point; Piper and Jason wanted to try to get their relationship for real. They tried, and they have feelings for each other. During the war, they were spent time together, they wanted to be together and try to make their Mist-trick-manipulation relationship as real, - but after war was ended finally, they (in that case, Piper) realized that, even if she and Jason have feelings for each other, even if he and she decided to make things for real, she understood that their relationship was based on a manipulation, it was specifically made by Hera and Aphrodite, by the goddesses who were playing with Jason's and Piper's minds and lives. Then after that realization, Piper decided to break up with Jason, even if she still loves him and Jason still loves him; Because she knew that even if their feelings are continue, the reason they fell for each other because of those Mist trick and false memories. 

      I mean, yes, Riordan decided to pair them and he did make them as couple, but that doesn't mean their relationship will continue forever. Every relationship can end because of something. In Jason and Piper's case, their relationship ended even they have feelings for each other; because of Piper finally realized that her mother aka Aphrodite and Hera were messing with their (Jason and Piper's) heads. After she finally and trully realized this truth, it's normal that she didn't want to continue this relationship- because she knew that it wasn't real and it was happened because of those manipulations and schemes.  

      I understand that you like Jasper, and you think that their relationship was developed during the books- but even if their relationship was developed- that doesn't mean that their relationship continues forever. During the second series they were together, but after war ended, well, they are not. 

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    • Delariona wrote: I understand your point; Piper and Jason wanted to try to get their relationship for real. They tried, and they have feelings for each other. During the war, they were spent time together, they wanted to be together and try to make their Mist-trick-manipulation relationship as real, - but after war was ended finally, they (in that case, Piper) realized that, even if she and Jason have feelings for each other, even if he and she decided to make things for real, she understood that their relationship was based on a manipulation, it was specifically made by Hera and Aphrodite, by the goddesses who were playing with Jason's and Piper's minds and lives. Then after that realization, Piper decided to break up with Jason, even if she still loves him and Jason still loves him; Because she knew that even if their feelings are continue, the reason they fell for each other because of those Mist trick and false memories. 

      I mean, yes, Riordan decided to pair them and he did make them as couple, but that doesn't mean their relationship will continue forever. Every relationship can end because of something. In Jason and Piper's case, their relationship ended even they have feelings for each other; because of Piper finally realized that her mother aka Aphrodite and Hera were messing with their (Jason and Piper's) heads. After she finally and trully realized this truth, it's normal that she didn't want to continue this relationship- because she knew that it wasn't real and it was happened because of those manipulations and schemes.  

      I understand that you like Jasper, and you think that their relationship was developed during the books- but even if their relationship was developed- that doesn't mean that their relationship continues forever. During the second series they were together, but after war ended, well, they are not. 

      Yeah your right. It sucks but its true lol. I really liked both Jason and Piper as characters and also as a couple. Seeing them grow as independent characters and especially their relationship and their love, i really liked reading their chapters. I guess im still trying to cope with it haha cuz it was such a shock for me. It was still a really abrubt way to end it, although we did get a but more of an explanation in the later chapters, it felt like it wasn’t enough. I see how Piper felt that she didn’t want this relationship based on a Lie but i feel bad for Jason because he really did love her and also worked to make the relationship real. Jason never stopped loving Piper and Piper still had feelins for him so thats why i was hoping like maybe Piper wanted to find out who she was by herself and after figuring that out maybe she and Jason got another chance. But i mean Jason is dead so that hurt evrn more. Both those things were just super unexpected like something i never saw coming so im trying to find a way around it lol like Apollo asking Zeus to bring back Jason instead of making him a God and Piper realizing that even if her relationship with Jason was indeed a lie, having him die awoke these feelings that she always had and maybe got back together if he came back. I take in consideration just how completely heartbroken Piper was when Jason died. Not even when Leo “died” was she that distressed. Sure she had a but of hope hr might be alive but not at the beginning. So i dont know i still just hopr Rick fixes all of this by the end of his last back because he doesn’t seem like someone who would do something so drastic. In all his books he has never done anything like this and after all the books are also for children so why the realism lol.

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    • I think Jason's death was sudden too, it was unexpected and sad. But I do still not him brought back again...yeah, call me an iceberg if you want. 

      I'm a teenager, not a adult and I still adore children literature. I often read children books because I like them, some children books and book series are one of my favorite books. And still, I do not see the point of bringing back characters from death, even if this is a children or a fantasy series or book. I think the realism as much as important in the children or fantasy series and books, much like in the other books and series. Actually, it is more important especially in the fantasy series- because it's, in fact, fantasy, and It should still feel real and should realism in it. 

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    • Yeah this series honestly doesn’t even feel like a children’s book. Im also a teenager but this entire PJ/THoO/TOA series is one of the best ive ever read. I get what you mean with the realism, in movies and shows when main characters die I almost always would like it for them to stay dead. Not because i domt like the character but because i know they always come back and the creators never have the guts to kill them off for real. Killing off Jason Grace (who along with Piper, are my favorite characters) was such a forceful blow to my heart since i started reading THoO in 5th grade and it was the book that actually got me into reading. I guess it kind of ruined my childhood loll. It was a really bold move on Riordan’s part and i respect him for it. I just wish he could have executed it in a better way. It was all too sudden and unexpected (which may or may not have been his intention) but it hurt like hell. Usually i would be sad but accept that his death is for the best and want him to stay dead, but he was simply too big a character and i feel like even though he’s a fictional character, i knew him and it just hurts all the more like when a loved one dies. Props to Rick for finally having the guts to do something so drastic, but at the same time i still hope Jason comes back. He’s killed off too many people and then brings them back, for it to be different with Jason seems really unfair (which again may be his intention). I guess my emotional attachment to these characters just makes it hurt a bunch lol. But that’s basically why for the first time i want to be optimistic and hope that Jason isn’t going to stay dead and he and Piper can have another chance. Its an unrealistic hope, but hope nonetheless. I’ve decided to hold onto that very slim thread of hope until book 5 lol on which i will be super glad or all the more heart broken. 2020 has never felt so far away haha.

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    • 2020 has never felt so far away haha.

      Uh...no. Two freaking years. I can not.

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    • Delariona wrote: 2020 has never felt so far away haha.

      Uh...no. Two freaking years. I can not.

      Can not what? 😂

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    • Well, wait... I can not wait. Reading a book series is kind of a torture, especially when you need to wait 2 years.

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    • Delariona wrote:
      Well, wait... I can not wait. Reading a book series is kind of a torture, especially when you need to wait 2 years.

      For real. Especially because the next book is going to take place like 2 days after The Burning Maze, not more than a freaking year lol. I wonder how Reyna is going to react about Jason's death tho. 

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    • Just a question; why do people really want to see that the characters brought back to life again and again? Seriously, I'm asking. Because when you think of a reader instead of a fangirl / boy, you do not want the characters to brought back from death so much.

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    • Its not that we want all the characters to be brought back. Its just that the way that this certain character died didnt seem like the rught way to do it. He had unresolved things to deal with and he deserved to live. He was a really big character in the last series so it just hurts seeing him gone. For me personally he was a favorite character and i grew close to him. Seeing him die the way he did just hurt like hell. And honestly no one wants anyone to die and see other people suffer because of it unless they are sadistic or sum. I get its just a book but its just my opinion lol

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    • Its not that we want all the characters to be brought back.

      Yet, all the fans are freaking out whenever they see their favorite characters or the characters they like are going to die. All fans freaks out whenever they see a character's death and immediately want that this/these characters's brought back to life again. It's always like that, a character dies and fans go mad. It was the same just like Leo's death, for example. When a beloved character died, it's a big no-no. Because fans would be sad and cry.

      Its just that the way that this certain character died didnt seem like the rught way to do it. He had unresolved things to deal with and he deserved to live.

      No one can accomplished their all jobs and their wants before their deaths. Death happens everytime and anytime, espesically we are talking about the demigod-world here. Jason had unresolved things, and so does everyone. The other people who died are deserved to live too, but world is not a place that everyone gets what they deserves or wants.

      He was a really big character in the last series so it just hurts seeing him gone.

      That's the basic thing I'm talking about- Jason had a big role in the series, so what? Is that means he can not going to die or get killed? I understand that you're sad, but you're thinking as a fangirl rather than a reader. 

      For me personally he was a favorite character and i grew close to him. Seeing him die the way he did just hurt like hell.

      I respect that he is one of your favorite characters, but still it's a mentality of a fangirl; that wanting to so bad to see your favorite character brought back to life again, because you like him so much.

      And honestly no one wants anyone to die and see other people suffer because of it unless they are sadistic or sum. I get its just a book but its just my opinion lol.

      No one wants to see people suffer, of course. No one wants to see characters in the books suffer, too. I do not want my favorite characters suffer too. But it's what it is; people suffer. And in the books, characters suffer to due to the plot and story, due to the circumstances and situations. When I read characters I liked dying or suffering, I'm feeling sorry for them. I really feel sorry that they are suffer or dying. But I know that it's due to the plot and story line, and even if I love them so much and form attachment to them, I do not want to see them brought back to life again when I think as a reader rather than as a fangirl/boy. It's a story and plot- and characters in the books can die because of the storyline. Especially if the big war/s happening here and there.

      I respect your opinion, people can want a character brought back to life because they like and love them. But I do not really think in this kind of mentality, because characters's brought back to life is butchering the whole plot or story, it makes the war less real (even in the fantasy world), If character's brought back to life again and again...then what's the reason and point of those wars? What's the point of those villains and supposed threats in the book and in story? If all beloved heroes are eventually brought back to life again, then it's pointless; war and the villains in the story are pointless because they are not real threats, they are just lapdogs and clowns who are just there to make a supposed tension and supposed danger. 

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    • Well of course people want characters brought back. You said it yourself, no one want to see anyone suffer. These characters may be fake but it still feels like real death to some. Everyone who has lost a loved one wants them back. They dont think “oh well im really sad but thats just the way life is”. Obviously they believe life is unfair but are trying to cope with it. It sucks and hurts for many people to see their favorite characters die off so they obviously wsnt them back. I understand that Jason will most likely never come back. But given that he’s one of my favorite characters why am i not allowed to hope he does? I dont care about the realism it adds or how the wars and bad guys are pointless. Just because you really like a character and wish they didnt die doesnt make you a fan girl or fan boy. It just means your a dedicated reader who liked these characters. You made reslly good points talking about how if the characters keep coming back then the whole thing is pointless, including all the villains. I understand that and i completely agree. In THoO, basically all the Giants and Even Gaea were just jokes. Killing off this major character raised the stakes and i respect Rick for having the guts to do something so drastic. But i still want Jason back. He’s a favorite character of mine so i want him back 🤷‍♂️It will most likely not happen but there isn’t anything wrong in hoping he does, everyone’s entitled to their own beleifs and feelings. I see both the logical and emotional sides of Jason’s death. I just decide to part with the emotional side in this case. So people just feel attached to the characters, some understand its for the best so that the plot can develop and progress but their attachments to the charcter makes them want them back, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Just like there is absolutely nothing wrong with not wsnting him back at all. To each their own.

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    • Well of course people want characters brought back. You said it yourself, no one want to see anyone suffer. These characters may be fake but it still feels like real death to some. Everyone who has lost a loved one wants them back. They dont think “oh well im really sad but thats just the way life is”. Obviously they believe life is unfair but are trying to cope with it. It sucks and hurts for many people to see their favorite characters die off so they obviously wsnt them back.

      And I also said that I feel sad too, when I read character's dying. I find too that this is unfair, I think too that it's suck. I said too that when I read a characters that I like died, I'm feeling sad. But yet I do not want them to brought back to life again and again and again.

       I understand that Jason will most likely never come back. But given that he’s one of my favorite characters why am i not allowed to hope he does?

      You can want and hope, I literally said that people can want characters brought back to life. But when you think that all characters you like shouldn't get killed or die, then you're thinking as a fangirl here who wants that all her favorite characters lives. Same with wanting to see Jason brought back to life again.

       I dont care about the realism it adds or how the wars and bad guys are pointless. Just because you really like a character and wish they didnt die doesnt make you a fan girl or fan boy. It just means your a dedicated reader who liked these characters.

      Oh, but you see; If you do not care about the realism and you do not care that this makes things, wars, and villains and threats as pointless; then you do not think as a reader, you do think as a fan. You do not care about those things, as long as your beloved character brought back to life again. You can wish that your beloved character/s didn't die- but when you want so bad that they're brought back to life again, and you do not care about the plot, story and situations- that makes that you're thinking as a fan here. I, for example, do wish that my favorite characters didn't die too, but I do not want them to brought back to life again, even If I'm feeling sad that they died.

      There is, of course, nothing wrong with wanting your favorite character/s brought back to life again, I always want particular characters brought back to life again too, when I'm reading a book, watching a tv show and a movie. I want so bad and wish they didn't die. I'm feeling sad so much when my beloved characters died, the characters a managed to form attachment died- but when I think as a reader or viewer, I understand that this happens due to the story and plot. Even if we feel sad and bad about the characters, even if we hope and want that they're brought back to life again, when you look at it, you must understand that it's happening due to the plot and story, due to the circumstances and situations, that the character's dying happenings for a reason.

      Again, I'm not saying that your wanting to Jason brought back to life again is wrong, I didn't say such a thing ever. I literally said that I want that too- when I read or see a character who I liked dies, but when I look at it, I know it happens due to the story. 

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    • Yeah and i said i agree with you 😂 so many tv shows/movies will kill off a character and then after the audience is sad and all that the creotors will bring them back because they just wanted that reaction from the audience. I basically always wish the character would stay dead not because i dont like them, but because i know it would help the story progress and whatnot. Death is always sudden and never makes sense, very few people deserve to die and Jason certainly didn’t. He had so much to do in his future and a lot to resolve. This may have been Rick's intention to prove the reality of death and how its never fair no matter what people have already gone through. I respect Rick for doing something very few people sre willing to do. His series was honestly becoming a ‘safe zone’ where all the characters lived happily, but honestly i was fine with that because ive read a lot of books recently and movies where some main characters die fr and its sad. I was fine with Rick’s series being a safe zone because for once i wanted to see these characters live happily. Seeing Jason die hurt a lot cuz i wanted to see him live unlike many other characters ive seen recently. We who like Jason are just grieving so let us grieve 😂 no one wants to hear that its for the good of the plot and the story, most of us already know that. We’ll get over it sooner or later but give us timeee. You dont have to just call people as fan girls because they aren’t seeing things the way u do lol. As i said, i see the logic of Jason’s death and understand its for the best. You say we don’t understand that but we do, but i dont need anyone telling me that. Let me griveee godd 😂 i just wanted a happy ending in a world where all ive been seeing lately are sad endings. I suppose its cool now that there is this sense of realism and genuine fear of a Villain in the series now when there has never been that before. Like i said, Jason will probably never come back and i know thst, but i want to hope 🤷‍♂️ I understand how if people kept coming back time and time again it would seem useless but it still hurts now since its the first time Rick has killed a character that at least some fans will give a damn about. So yeah, I understand his death is probably for the best. I understand what Rick was trying to do by killing him off and showing this realism of the threat of death. I see the “Logical” point of view and I understand. But i dont need anyone telling me that and to get over it haha. I want to grieve and tell myself he could possibly come back although it’s unlikely.

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    • Of course I do not tell you that you shouldn't grieve. I'm still grieving for another characters and their deaths. So, why would I tell you to you shouldn't grieve for the deaths of the characters? When I still am not overcoming the deaths of certain characters and am still feeling sad about this?If we wouldn't be grieve for the deaths of the characters even if this is a book and those characters are not real, then it's pretty pretty bad. The characters in the books, even if they're not real, they reflects to the world, they are the ones who we managed to form attachment. So, without grieving and feeling sad about them, characters's dying doesn't make any sense-- their pains and deaths reflects to our feelings and emotions. So we, of course, grieve for the deaths of the characters. 

      I'm not saying you or we shouldn't grieve- I'm particularly talking about 'Jason's brought back to life.'

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    • Well there u go lol. Most people are just grieving, thats why they are saying they want Jason back. We understand its for the plot, just need time lol. Right now we are sayimg we want Jason back because he barely died and its a shock to a lot of us. I think eventually we will move on and accept his death but for now we want him back even if its not the best for the story. Not because we are fan boys/girls just cuz we are sad. A lot of us think that his death was unfair and this and that and we’ll make up things to want him back simply because in this particular moment we are grieving. So yeah just give us time. I still want him back at this moment tho 😂

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    • Yeah, right. Yet, the ones who want so much to see Jason's brought back to life again are the fans who are always freaks out whenever they see their beloved characters's dying. It's not the same thing about grieving. (It's like the people who freaks out when they see that the 3 people from 7 might die in the HoO series, or when they saw Leo is going to die- they eventually freaked out and wanting to see that his brought back to life again. How lovely.)

      There are people who do not want to see characters's brought back to life again in a 'particular moment'. They literally want this, and yes, opinion respected and such, but at the same time, it isn't respected. If Jason will come back actually and really just like the others, it's an intense eye rolling. 

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    • I mean i guess there are hella fan girls/boys out there who freak out in all that. Im just trying to say that not all of us who want Jason back are like that. I want him back but im not freaking out begging for him to come back. I can come to terms with his death as long as Rick gives us a satisfactory ending by book 5. Sure i want him back but i also understand if he doesn’t. I see the logic in it.

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    • If Rick can't add grit, emotion, depth, and an unrepetitive plot line in his writing, then he should just kill off his characters. 

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    • All of them?

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    • ^That's a little extreme don't you think?

      The gods could make an exception and resurrect him if the need is great enough.

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    • Jason should stay dead, what's so extreme about it? The extreme thing is everyones brought back to life again and again.

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    • I meant Rick Riordan killing off all of the characters.

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    • Uh..I totally missed Inton's reply. 

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    • I could definitely see it happening, but only if either:

      1) the gods pardon him for services rendered to Apollo.

      2) the fates themselves are vengeful ladies and take people messing with their sewing very seriously. Or

      3) Piper pulls an Orpheus and drags him out (well, not physically). This one is a bit iffy, but Hades/Pluto might enjoy having an out if his brother ever wants him to owe a favor.

      The fact that he still hasn't fulfilled a promise to a goddess kind of means his work isn't done yet (even if the groundwork is) so him reappearing wouldn't be unbelievable.

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      This is starting to get annoying. What part of PERMANENT death do you people not understand?

      Permanent does not mean Zeus bringing him back as a god.

      Permanent does not mean Piper busting him out of Hades.

      Permanent does not mean a philosopher's cure.

      Permanent does not mean any type of godly revival whatsoever.

      Rick specifically put "permanent death" to clarify there would be no BS revival like with Leo. 

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    • Hey man, we just tryna keep our hopes up lol. I know he probably won’t be coming back but what’s the harm in believing 🤷‍♂️

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    • Well, the problem with Jason dying is that it's basically playing the same loop that happened when Beckendorf died, and if Piper dies before the end of the series it only proves me right. Also, without fulfilling his promise...well, Kym is petty and I wouldn't put it past her to put a giant black mark on his elysium admission pass.

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    • Nah there is no way Rick would kill another one of the 7, especially not Piper since he already killed off Jason. And if he did kill her off then he would have to bring back both Jason and Piper so it probably wont happen. I don’t doubt we’ll see Jason again maybe as a spirit or maybe even in elysium. But i doubt Kym would even do anything to Jason, she probably wont even be brought up lol

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    • Jason was such a great character that it is the most devastating thing to see him die from getting stabbed by Caligula. From a fangirl's point of view, I've become super attached to him and see him in this glorified light, because he's the Son of Jupiter - and who isn't a bit in love with him. From a reader's point of view, I totally understand the need to implement realism into the storyline, and prove that these villains are as bad as they say.

      I'm in a bit of dilemma, and I don't really have a formed opinion on whether Jason should stay dead or get resurrected. 

      I've been a fan of all of Rick's books since the minute TLT was released, and I know it's irrelevant to point this out, but I'm also a fan of DC Comics - and if there's one thing that I've learned as a reader where characters have been constantly killed off and then revived - yes, it gets old.

      The fact that a lot DC Comics' writers have chosen to kill off major characters, like Batman, have proven the need to show that death is real and can happen to your favourite superhero. And then to see Batman being resurrected (because if Batman died, how will they sell more comics), was once a relief. But after so many other almost equally major character deaths and seeing them revived, the angst and suspense decreased to a bare minimum.

      However, in DC, there are only a limited number of ways to bring people back from the dead, and they made it pretty clear that it wasn't without consequences. One of the characters went straight psychotic, and have this twisted sense of justice - killing criminals so they don't cause anymore trouble.

      There's some justification to it, but it is still a great argument against better morals.

      Taking this train of thought and relating it back to how Jason's killed off in TBM, and how in Rick's books, resurrection comes so easily without any immediate consequences; it made me want him to stay dead, despite being one of the best characters to have been written by Rick. Because here, even if Jason stays dead, the storyline can continue to progress, develop other characters, and maybe even make TOA better.

      However, taking into consideration how Jason's death feels like such an injustice, I also feel like Jason doesn't deserve it this way and not right now. It's true that people die all the time, and most of them have some unresolved business with the living. But, seeing Leo not-so-dead (no offense to those who love Leo Valdez), makes me wonder why Rick doesn't just kill Leo off, instead of Jason.

      Because to think it logically, Leo is a less influential character in the series if compared to Jason, and Leo have even called himself the "7th wheel" in the dynamics between the main 7 heroes. But he's a big enough character to get the message of "realism' across to the readers. I feel like Leo's resurrection was pushing for Leo getting some form of validation as an important person, in these people's lives. And I was disappointed that this validation came from Calypso, instead of from his friends. If this is the main point that drives Rick into writing Leo alive than dead, then I think the permanent death should've been Leo instead of Jason. (No hate to Leo's fans^^)

      I think there is way more potential to Jason's story, much more than Leo's, regarding to their futures. Especially since Rick's written a snippet of Jason's and Piper's future together, coupled with the fact that Rick might just risk the cliche, for the sake of not wasting the vast potential of developing Jason's character into something more. This makes a compelling reason as to why Jason should come back to life at some point in the series.

      All these thoughts aside though, RIP Jason Grace -  I loved you, I'll miss you.

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    • Amen

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    • Leo's situation is a whole another issue with itself, tho. 

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    • Delariona wrote:
      Leo's situation is a whole another issue with itself, tho. 

      How so?

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    • I meant his situation is a whole another discussion.

      Some people think that Leo shouldn't have brought back and he should've stayed dead. ect. It's whole another biggo discussion in itself. 

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    • Delariona wrote:
      I meant his situation is a whole another discussion.

      Some people think that Leo shouldn't have brought back and he should've stayed dead. ect. It's whole another biggo discussion in itself. 

      I agree, I was only pointing out Leo's story and Jason's story, and comparing them in terms of their potential futures.

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    • Some people might think different about it too. The people who thinks that Leo deserves another chance (in the life, being brought back to life.), and he deserves happiness and he should and deserves to live. 

      Why do you think Leo should've died instead of Jason?

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    • Delariona wrote:
      Some people might think different about it too. The people who thinks that Leo deserves another chance (in the life, being brought back to life.), and he deserves happiness and he should and deserves to live. 

      Why do you think Leo should've died instead of Jason?

      I know that. I love Leo too, and I honestly want none of them to die. But,

      Like I said, if the reason why Rick let Leo live again was so Leo could have some form of validation that the people in his life want him around (which he would later get from Calypso instead of his friends), then I think Jason should trade places with Leo. Because then Jason has more interesting reasons and more potential character development, as well as a sort of closure between him and Piper.

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    • That would be so ironic, if Leo dies twice after being resurrected. 

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    • Klimenreal wrote:
      That would be so ironic, if Leo dies twice after being resurrected. 

      I wasn't hoping for Leo to die twice hahaha, I only pointed out the comparison between Leo and Jason, to make it into an argument that Jason could be resurrected some time in the series.

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    • I think his death is really permanent. 

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    • Most likely Jason won’t come back but nothing is certaim. There are a lot of diffreneces between Leo’s death and Jason’s (Leo’s was pretty lighthearted and foreshadowed, Jason’s was unexpected and the way it was portrayed was heart breaking, etc.), but then again Rick’s series have come to be a ‘safe zone’ so we can’t be entirely sure Rick will change this. Honestly there are a bunch of factors that point to both Jason staying dead or him coming back to life but we’ll have to wait till book 5 for a complete confirmation. I want to believe he’ll come back so that’s what ill do lol.

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    • I think Jason will stay dead. It's heavily emphasized in the book that death means death. As in, no coming back to life, no replays, no cheats, nothing. When Jason talks to Apollo about the Sybil's prediction, Apollo tries to come up with ways for Jason to live, but Jason tells him that the Sybil meant permanent death. It happens again, when Piper's trying to get Apollo or Meg to bring Jason back somehow. She starts listing things that could bring Jason back to life, like the Doors of Death and the physician's cure. Apollo reminds her that the physician's cure wouldn't work for Jason so long after his death, even if they had it, and that she literally fought to close the Doors because the living and the dead are supposed to stay in their own respective worlds. This is probably Rick's way of telling us Jason is gone for good.

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    • Bluebookworm14 wrote:
      I think Jason will stay dead. It's heavily emphasized in the book that death means death. As in, no coming back to life, no replays, no cheats, nothing. When Jason talks to Apollo about the Sybil's prediction, Apollo tries to come up with ways for Jason to live, but Jason tells him that the Sybil meant permanent death. It happens again, when Piper's trying to get Apollo or Meg to bring Jason back somehow. She starts listing things that could bring Jason back to life, like the Doors of Death and the physician's cure. Apollo reminds her that the physician's cure wouldn't work for Jason so long after his death, even if they had it, and that she literally fought to close the Doors because the living and the dead are supposed to stay in their own respective worlds. This is probably Rick's way of telling us Jason is gone for good.

      I agree with Bluebookworm14. Sadly, I believe that Jason will not be revived, unless Rick makes up a loophole. Rick may have wanted a character death. If he killed off Percy, then Annabeth would follow. Leo and Calypso just found each other and were on a quest. Frazel is too adorable and young, but Jason and Piper are fairly new. Their relationship was quick. They were happy. Maybe Rick thought Piper needed to go through more? I really hope Piper doesn't get together with someone else though. I love their relationship. She may go through what Nico went through when Bianca died, and bond with Nico in a sibling way. In the end, it all depends on Rick's decisions.

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    • Personally I think jason,s death was untimely now I know in real life deaths are pretty much always untimely but as some other people have specified tricks book are somewhat of a safe zone not to many main characters are killed off so it was a shocker to many that Jason was killed off so I got some theroys cause I b super upset that Jason died 1.if and when Apollo becomes a good again he will say bring Jason back instead of me 2. Jason and meg when they were on the ship split up Jason found the prison boat with prisoners on it [ lol what would be on a prison boat] and finds Thalia captured cause we already know that the triumperate has a  captured hunters of artimis they mantiply thee misty mist togethet after he breaks thalia out to make a Jason 2 appear and die Jason 1 goes after tomb of tarquain trying to get there before piper and others something in it makes him go crazy and piper and others come find Jason are like Jason your supposed to be dead Jason dose  of respond cause  he crazy  and piper and others do what they gotta do in tomb and get Jason out give him ambrosia he explain what he did and the end I will backup this in minute 3. And most likely Jason stays dead my least favorite route one but most Likely TRUE if Jason stays dead I want more reason Jason has been in thousands of fights so thinking he would die in battle is not right back to theory 2 first I chose him to find Thalia cause Thalia is powerful with the mist second I know it said permanent death but Jason lied did he ever tell us the prophecy no did he tell us any other points other than either he or piper would die no did he give us any key words that could've been double meaning no he lied the Oracle said death not permant death death as in every one thinks he is dead now I know it is not Jason s style to lie unlike another character I could mention cough cough LEO cough cough but if Jason died and piper found out it was not permant death she would go insane find the physians sure witch could get her killed and try to open doors of death and she had worked to close the doors of death so alot of gods would be mad at her witch would also get her killed now there are also plot holes if Jason stays dead none would want to help Apollo cause the great Jason Grace had died on his watch second I can easily see a war between Romans and greens again over Jason death 




      I know this may sound far fetched but aren't alot of rick rordains plots?Also it my seemed far fetched cause I came up with this they at 2 in the morning so.....also Jason was one of my favorites like I  the entire Percy Jackson universe (specifically second tied with Leo and annabeth and Percy are in first obviously) so him being one of my favs makes me want to come up with anything I can to make me think he is still alive for will come back or will have more reason  behind his death (but options one or two would be the best) tell me what you think will happen I want to know if my second theory is completely crazy or if it makes some sense

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    • Percyjacksonharrypotter5417 wrote: Personally I think jason,s death was untimely now I know in real life deaths are pretty much always untimely but as some other people have specified tricks book are somewhat of a safe zone not to many main characters are killed off so it was a shocker to many that Jason was killed off so I got some theroys cause I b super upset that Jason died 1.if and when Apollo becomes a good again he will say bring Jason back instead of me 2. Jason and meg when they were on the ship split up Jason found the prison boat with prisoners on it [ lol what would be on a prison boat] and finds Thalia captured cause we already know that the triumperate has a  captured hunters of artimis they mantiply thee misty mist togethet after he breaks thalia out to make a Jason 2 appear and die Jason 1 goes after tomb of tarquain trying to get there before piper and others something in it makes him go crazy and piper and others come find Jason are like Jason your supposed to be dead Jason dose  of respond cause  he crazy  and piper and others do what they gotta do in tomb and get Jason out give him ambrosia he explain what he did and the end I will backup this in minute 3. And most likely Jason stays dead my least favorite route one but most Likely TRUE if Jason stays dead I want more reason Jason has been in thousands of fights so thinking he would die in battle is not right back to theory 2 first I chose him to find Thalia cause Thalia is powerful with the mist second I know it said permanent death but Jason lied did he ever tell us the prophecy no did he tell us any other points other than either he or piper would die no did he give us any key words that could've been double meaning no he lied the Oracle said death not permant death death as in every one thinks he is dead now I know it is not Jason s style to lie unlike another character I could mention cough cough LEO cough cough but if Jason died and piper found out it was not permant death she would go insane find the physians sure witch could get her killed and try to open doors of death and she had worked to close the doors of death so alot of gods would be mad at her witch would also get her killed now there are also plot holes if Jason stays dead none would want to help Apollo cause the great Jason Grace had died on his watch second I can easily see a war between Romans and greens again over Jason death 




      I know this may sound far fetched but aren't alot of rick rordains plots?Also it my seemed far fetched cause I came up with this they at 2 in the morning so.....also Jason was one of my favorites like I  the entire Percy Jackson universe (specifically second tied with Leo and annabeth and Percy are in first obviously) so him being one of my favs makes me want to come up with anything I can to make me think he is still alive for will come back or will have more reason  behind his death (but options one or two would be the best) tell me what you think will happen I want to know if my second theory is completely crazy or if it makes some sense

      Dang those are actually good theories. I want to believe that any of those theories can be true because like you, i loved Jason as a character. Like I’ve said before, there are way too many theories on how Jason could either come back to life or stay dead (although sadly as of right now, he will most likely stay dead) but once book 4 comes out we will most likely have more information and maybe like you said, at the end of the book there is a cliff hanger in which they find out Jason is still alive or that there is a possibility of bringing him back

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    • Thanks now I know that the Theroux are not totally crazy but most Likely he will stay dead but the way Jason went out doesn`t seem right anybodynelse noticing the fight with cilligula Jason heart wasn't in it near the end he litarly got stabbed cause he was staring at Apollo for to long that doesn't seem like a mistake Jason would make (unless he isn't dead and wants piper to think he's gone for good) but his heart just did not seem into his "final" battle 

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    • I know he's just a background character now who doesnt really serve a purpose in the plot and that his death was there to make people realize how easily heroes die and signal the series' turn to a darker tone but its sad how he couldnt get a happy ending. he and the rest of the 7 all contributed in saving the world twice, they all already suffered enough from childhood. Though we didnt get to know him as much as percy and though we know all the demigod's lives are as difficult, it woldve been nice to see how things went if uncle rick left pipes and jason alone pursuing the good future they were leaning towards in BoO (though piper's realization of their relationship was refreshing) but I guess there wouldnt be a book if everyone lead peaceful conflict free lives after gaea

      to see characters die whether they come back from the dead or nada is sad. youd be dissapointed to expect happy endings from a demigod's life though

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    • JUST A BACKGROUND CHARACTER THAT SERVES NO REAL PURPOSES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JASON OR SOMEONE ELSE 

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    • Percyjacksonharrypotter5417 wrote: Thanks now I know that the Theroux are not totally crazy but most Likely he will stay dead but the way Jason went out doesn`t seem right anybodynelse noticing the fight with cilligula Jason heart wasn't in it near the end he litarly got stabbed cause he was staring at Apollo for to long that doesn't seem like a mistake Jason would make (unless he isn't dead and wants piper to think he's gone for good) but his heart just did not seem into his "final" battle 

      I think he knew, even before the final stab, that he wasn't going to make it.

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    • Yeah I guess but if it were my final  battle even if I knew I was going to die in it I would still give it every thing I got if Jason alive or dead we will behind out in 2020 that seems so far away 

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    • I think he will because he had that vision thing in BoO when him and Piper were old and together but then again I could be wrong.

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    • Well first I FEEL it is fair to point out children of Athens are hardly ever wrong so depending upon whose side your on that is a good thing second Jason piper should have not broke up because on house Hades when Nico and Jason are facing Cupid Cupid says too Jason "you Jason,after all have found TRUE love" if the God of love says you found TRUE love you dont bresk up with that peeson and instead of telling this telling this to piper while she is breaking up with him he was annoyingly Nobel and did not say anything for Nico,s sake so in conclusion jiper should have worked out 

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    • Yeah, if Cupid and Aphrodite tells something about love, then it should be correct. But history tells otherwise.

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    • Icananisa wrote:
      aren't Lares only for cowards? (just like ghost of Hogwarts, I mean) any demigod, especially one as brave as Jason would deny or run away from death

      but esylum or whatever i cant spell today woul be the placce for him

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    • Dang it. Now we cant write anymore "The Seven do stuff" or "The Seven in the future" fanfictions 

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    • Me still thinks that Apollo is being delusional, and is trapped inside his mind. That would be his punishment from Zeus.





































      Ok, not really, but that would be ROFL worthy.

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    • XRosepeltx wrote: Dang it. Now we cant write anymore "The Seven do stuff" or "The Seven in the future" fanfictions 

      Uh, do you not know what "fanfiction" means?

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    • Jason Dies.Jason Dies.I Die.Jason Dies.Jason Dies.Jason Dies.Jason Dies.Jason Dies.Jason Dies.Jason Dies.Jason Dies.Jason Dies.Jason Dies.Jason Dies.Jason Dies.Jason Dies.Jason Dies.Jason Dies.Jason Dies.Jason Dies.Jason DiesJason Dies.Jason Dies. MY DAM HEART

      Although I hate it. It makes the storyline more real and gripping.

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    • I get it DAM as in Hoover dam haha that is funny OH MY GODS SOMWTHING JUAT OCCURED TO ME  okay so rewind background of world war 2 was it when the big three made an oath no more kids so start off with Hades already y had Bianca and Nico but since half bloods have sad lives Bianca dies Nico goes bit crazy but they had already been born so Hades never technically broke the oath Zues was first break he had Thalia and Jason Thalia now fast forward to when Thalia is on the hill saving Luke (the ungrateful brat betrayed her in the end) and annabeth Thalia did not want to be hunted like an animal and she was in trouble cause Styx wouldn't get zues back for breaking an oath not directly anyway so she got tal8a by making her life misrbal trying to kill her Styx torments Thalia then kills her Thalia turns into tree becomes not tree then joins hunters therefore escaping any other punishment from Styx fast forward Jason life is hard the war with titans looses friends then war with  G pretty miserable and torcherius if you ask me then he dies so the 2 child's of the big three were tormented and killed so what about percy he has had the same story as jason hard life titan war G war tocherous misrebal life he even says his life is miserable at the very being of the first book so yeah same story as jason except he is not dead so has all  of his and Jason hardships been punishment from Styx yeah probably so will Percy Jackson die well if my theory is right then rick will need to pull serious string to keep P ercy alive cause I can't loose percy and jason

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    • Should have burned this place down... wrote:
      Hazel was brought back to life, so could maybe Jason be brought back to life?

      Of course. It's Rick Riordan

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    • I just wanna point out that Chiron did tell Percy and the others back in the PJO series that sometimes prophecies have double meanings and frankly, I could see the same things happening to Jason’s death. In a different standpoint, prophecies aren’t always accurate in a sense that the recipients of said prophecies may be interpreted in various ways and some of these may be erroneous or different when comparing said interpretations to the real meaning of these prophecies.

      Though I am not a fan of Jason, I still believe that the 7 deserve to live happy lives after all the troubles they have gone through (quite sure that only a minority want this to happen but meh). Jason is an intelligent demigod and a very good fighter. If a demigod can find a way around a life or death situation alone, I would definitely say Jason could do so. After all he’s been through, I don’t think he deserves the death he just received. Jason and the rest of the 7 literally fought armies and armies of powerful monsters and other villains, duelled against the most menacing forces of Greek mythology (Titans, Giants and Gaea) and survived various challenges along the way (crossing the Mediterranean, Labyrinth just to name a few). To think that he just dies by the hands of a reborn Roman emperor when he himself was trained in a Roman way is just something I find quite hard to believe.

      To be honest, even if Rick decides to change the formula of his villains (prolly making them much stronger and scarier), I still believe Gaea and the titans should be way more powerful than the Roman emperors. (not really a part of any of Rick’s book series regarding Greek mythology, but I just want to state these facts to stress my point in the previous sentence). I’ve studied the Roman emperors in my history class and I can definitely say Caligula is definitely not one of the smartest Roman emperors out there especially since he made his own horse into a senator (Incitatus) and ordered his soldiers to literally attack the sea after declaring war on Neptune lmao

      If Jason’s death is in fact permanent, well, I just hope Rick doesn’t muster the courage to kill off the rest of the 7 🤷🏼‍♂️. Don’t get me wrong though, I understand why Rick would want to do this to Jason since he isn’t as important a character as Apollo (Lester) and his other companions soooo Jason’s death will make the series more interesting (specially if Percy and Annabeth decide to join in with Jason’s death and all).

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    • Logically, Gaea and the Giants were supposedly much more scary villains and threats of the story, but they weren't, because Riordan made all of them as real jokes and hilariously dumb which can tricked so easily. 

      Right now, Riordan is trying to fix this fault (writing Gaea and the Giants as utter jokes) with making Caligula as a real threat. But again, logically, Gaea and the Giants would be the better villains than Caluigula himself, but Riordan didn't write them as like that so now he is writing Caligula as a real threat of the story. Personally, I was so tired to see dumb, hilarious, clown villains whom are lapdogs of the story and for the heroes, so seeing Caligula whom is a real threat and villain is a heaven.

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    • Yagamilite wrote:

      Should have burned this place down... wrote:
      Hazel was brought back to life, so could maybe Jason be brought back to life?

      Of course. It's Rick Riordan

      Just accept that Jason isn’t coming back.

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    • Everyone need to calm down. I am sure that to bring him back is Riordan's intention from the beginning. The books have already turned into Marvel since a very long time and in Marvel no main character stay dead for long. Besides, the Apollo series is nothing serious, just fanservice. This death was merely a test to find out how many people cared about a character that did not get a lot of love in social medias. I am willing to bet big money that Jason will be brought back before the series end.

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    • I don't get all the hate for Jason personally I liked him in The Lost Hero because we knew nothing about him. That being said please don't kill me but I liked The Lost Hero more than The Son of Neptune. Reason being we already knew Percy. And does anyone else remember him seeing his future with Piper in The Blood of Olympus? Maybe it's a possibility but I kind of doubt it. I'm not saying it's not possible I actually hope he comes back I liked seeing another kid of Zeus. We saw Thalia but not a lot and we learned about his powers like how he can fly. I feel like there's more for this character. Does anyone think this? If not what's your opinion.

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    • Who hates Jason? People do not want him to brought back again because of they're tired of seeing characters brought back to life again and again. It's not like some people do not hate Jason tho, but that I can understand I feel nothing for him as a character.

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    • Delariona wrote:
      Who hates Jason? People do not want him to brought back again because of they're tired of seeing characters brought back to life again and again. It's not like some people do not hate Jason tho, but that I can understand I feel nothing for him as a character.

      I've seen a lot of post not here, but on different places like Discord and they apparently hate Jason like everything about him.

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    • Zbox46 wrote: I don't get all the hate for Jason personally I liked him in The Lost Hero because we knew nothing about him. That being said please don't kill me but I liked The Lost Hero more than The Son of Neptune. Reason being we already knew Percy. And does anyone else remember him seeing his future with Piper in The Blood of Olympus? Maybe it's a possibility but I kind of doubt it. I'm not saying it's not possible I actually hope he comes back I liked seeing another kid of Zeus. We saw Thalia but not a lot and we learned about his powers like how he can fly. I feel like there's more for this character. Does anyone think this? If not what's your opinion.

      The book said permanent death.

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    • Zbox46 wrote:
      Delariona wrote:
      Who hates Jason? People do not want him to brought back again because of they're tired of seeing characters brought back to life again and again. It's not like some people do not hate Jason tho, but that I can understand I feel nothing for him as a character.
      I've seen a lot of post not here, but on different places like Discord and they apparently hate Jason like everything about him.

      Like I said, it's not like some people do not hate Jason. 

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    • Ryan187591 wrote:

      Zbox46 wrote: I don't get all the hate for Jason personally I liked him in The Lost Hero because we knew nothing about him. That being said please don't kill me but I liked The Lost Hero more than The Son of Neptune. Reason being we already knew Percy. And does anyone else remember him seeing his future with Piper in The Blood of Olympus? Maybe it's a possibility but I kind of doubt it. I'm not saying it's not possible I actually hope he comes back I liked seeing another kid of Zeus. We saw Thalia but not a lot and we learned about his powers like how he can fly. I feel like there's more for this character. Does anyone think this? If not what's your opinion.

      The book said permanent death.

      As much as people want to insist that the book stated that it was a permanent death, Rick still has the power to find a way to bring Jason back IF he has plans for him which we wouldn’t know as readers. Other people who posted on this thread have stated pretty good theories regarding the possibility of Jason intelligently escaping his supposed death. Again, I’m not saying that I want him to be brought back to life but I’m just interested in what other people say about this topic and what Rick plans for him in te future.

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    • Honestly I’m alright with Jason’s death, although if Riordan wants major deaths, I’m a little bit worried that Percy might actually die himself. I guess that is a possibility, and i feel sorry for Piper, but life happens that way. Tell me if this is ridiculous.

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    • I don’t know what you guys have against Jason he was apart from Percy and Annabeth my favorite character I would always get super hype when the top of the page said Jason and as some other peoples have said it is not a major series i garuntee you there are people who are diehard Percy Jackson fans but they did not feel like reading trials of Apollo aince it is just a minor series I was almost one of Those people and you guys are bursting peoples bubbles with the PERMANENT DEATH thing how many other charters were suppos to have a permanent death/should have died hmm Hazel Leo Nico Bianca so it is easy to see considering ricks reputation that he would bring Jason back or Jason is not dead to start with........ K so Jason gets death prophecy never actually says permanent death just death Jason goes to Apollo/Lester and says the prophecy meant permanent death never actually says prophecy or any key words that may have double meanings never addresses any other topic except either he or Piper would “die”me think there be something suspicious about that okay fast forward to the battle on the ship piper and Apollo go one way Jason and meg stay there or go another way can’t remever exactly but meg splits from Jason cause LOL such a meg thing to do and leaves Jason by himself Jason stumbles upon the prisoner ship and find there to be a bunch of panda prisoners except for guess who is there drumroll please a random demigod (in my original theory of this I said Thalia she would work perfectly fine but it seems more realistic this way) I don’t got a name so bob Jason being Jason needs to free bob he does so talks to bob finds out bob is a son of trivia (Greek version is Hecate don’t matter if bob is Greek or Roman) and bob is obviously grateful for Jason saving him from certain death bob asks is there anything I can do to return the favor? Jason be like well could you help me with one small thing so they together make mist Jason which we are going to call Jason 2 so every thing goes pretty much according to the book except “Jason “ is mist Jason then after boat explode bob and Jason sail away or fly I guess and Jason probably gives him directions to camp half blood or Jupiter whatever then goes to tomb of Tarquinius hoping to get what needs to be done in there before piper comes something in the tomb makes him go crazy he stays in tomb piper and others are going to tomb of Tarquinius and find Jason there and are like Jason what are you doing here your dead Jason dosent respond cause he is.crazy they do what ever they got to do in he tomb and take Jason out feed him some and ambrosia and Jason tells what happened

      So the PERMANENT DEATH thing is not actually permant death as I said before Jason.never tells us what the prophecy is or key words that could have double meant or veers from the point that either he or piper “die” so he just agsagerated knowing aPollo would tell pipes he says permit death knowing piper would try to do anything that would bring him back Incase he actually died so if I haven’t been clear prophecy say death Jason says permant death knowing piper do anything to bring him back prophecy meant death as in everyone thinks he dead

      Soooooooo yeah also stop hating on Jason he is one of my fav chracter

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    • I don’t get why there is confusion especially when it’s mentioned in the book itself that HE HAS DIED PERMANENTLY AND WON’T COME BACK! What makes it sad for me is, I just started liking his character in the Burning maze and Riordan killed him off. But there is no coming back like it has been mentioned in the book.

      Remember the line from the second great prophecy? “To storm or fire the world must fall” It Is referring to either Jason’s death (storm) or Leo’s death (fire). Leo DID die, but he came back to life so technically he didn’t fall. Storm is still alive, so it was storm (Jason) who fell instead. I think that is why he died. Plus it had been heavily implying that it is Jason who is going to die. Even if fire falls now, it mostly wouldn’t make a difference cause storm has already fallen.

      I’d hate to say this, but the good thing about his death is Riordan didn’t bring him back to life yet. I’m honestly sick of it. If you want someone to die, LET THEM STAY DEAD.

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    • I dont know if anyone has said this yet but what if jason became an einherji? He died bravely in battle with a weapon in his hand,and it has been made very clear that he will die permanently but this would still apply if he were an einherji also at the end of the ship of the dead, magnus gets a phone call from annabeth saying that something is wrong, if we assume that this is the death of jason then that would tie everything back to magnus and possibly if we were to get another magnus chase book, then he could show up there or maybe we could have a big crossover series with the greeks, romans, egyptians and vikings then he could appear there also. If there is any reason that jason couldnt become an einherji please let me know

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    • Aleca0704 wrote: I dont know if anyone has said this yet but what if jason became an einherji? He died bravely in battle with a weapon in his hand,and it has been made very clear that he will die permanently but this would still apply if he were an einherji also at the end of the ship of the dead, magnus gets a phone call from annabeth saying that something is wrong, if we assume that this is the death of jason then that would tie everything back to magnus and possibly if we were to get another magnus chase book, then he could show up there or maybe we could have a big crossover series with the greeks, romans, egyptians and vikings then he could appear there also. If there is any reason that jason couldnt become an einherji please let me know

      You theory is great but it’s got a big flaw, only Norse demigods can become einherji, Jason is actually a Roman demigod although he considers himself more Greek. But it can still be true cause as far as I remember, it hasn’t been stated whether or not a Greek or Roman demigod could go to Valhalla. Especially since it’s heavily implied he is in Elysium or chose rebirth.

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    • Guys he is coming back you know that right I mean it is a side series rick is not going to kill a main chracter im a side series and let them stay dead also it is not ricks style to kill someone like that someone’s death always has deep meaning Jason’s death was like battle battle battle ahh (get stabbed ) flop (falls down dead) like even Leo whose death wasn’t even a true death had deep meaning Not that I am complaining Leo came back

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    • Percyjacksonharrypotter5417 wrote: Guys he is coming back you know that right I mean it is a side series rick is not going to kill a main chracter im a side series and let them stay dead also it is not ricks style to kill someone like that someone’s death always has deep meaning Jason’s death was like battle battle battle ahh (get stabbed ) flop (falls down dead) like even Leo whose death wasn’t even a true death had deep meaning Not that I am complaining Leo came back

      Firstly, he is not coming back. It’s been made clear in the book. Remember the prophecy about storm (Jason) or fire (Leo)? Storm of fire should fall. Fire fell but not permanently so storm fell instead. Secondly, TOA seems to have a darker tone than most RR books. So it is safe to say, he is dead, and stays dead.

      This all bringing them back to life thing makes Hades look like an idiot. Why does he need to watch over the dead souls if they keep escaping? Plus, he will not go to Valhalla for the post I stated in above.

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    • Wow, punctuation marks love you. Apollo series is a side series but it's not separated, it has connection with the story, characters and situations. So, why wouldn't Riordan kill a main character in it? 

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    • Delariona wrote: Wow, punctuation marks love you. Apollo series is a side series but it's not separated, it has connection with the story, characters and situations. So, why wouldn't Riordan kill a main character in it? 

      Exactly my point. Thanks, it’s easier to read with proper punctuation. I like it better that way too.

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    • Punctuation is good I ageee I just do t use it caus I am lazy and I am not Jason come back fro even da dead I agree that would be stupid stay dead if your dead but what if Jason wasn’t dead the body was mist

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    • Man, i didn't understand a thing after you said lazy. Was that supposed to make sense; 'and I am not Jason come back fro even da dead.'

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    • Thanks, so much easier with proper punctuation.

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    • i love jason so much but you know he is not immortal, is he? if he didn't die, drama had no meaning. book would be boring without sadness. books don't mean adventure, happiness, victory etc. ... We should feel sad, sometimes. And learn to lose.

      After all, we can hope that Jason can be Lar. At least he can be in Camp Jupiter. 

      And i hope that uncle Rick reads all discussions and he comments every thoughts and maybe he thinks mmh, it's logical. but it's logical too. i should get help from them. it would be perfect.

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    • Nicostolemyheart wrote:
      i love jason so much but you know he is not immortal, is he? if he didn't die, drama had no meaning. book would be boring without sadness. books don't mean adventure, happiness, victory etc. ... We should feel sad, sometimes. And learn to lose.

      After all, we can hope that Jason can be Lar. At least he can be in Camp Jupiter. 

      And i hope that uncle Rick reads all discussions and he comments every thoughts and maybe he thinks mmh, it's logical. but it's logical too. i should get help from them. it would be perfect.

      He is not immortal. He is dead. It's been stated several times there is no bringing him back like it was with Leo. His death was unpredictable and did hit me like a brick. It was sad. Yes! It'd be awesome if rick reads this discussion.

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    • Maybe one of the admins is Riordan incognito...

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    • Fifth Famous wrote: Maybe one of the admins is Riordan incognito...

      That is an intresimg thought creepy but interesting Jason can stay dead though I want hi to become a lar if he does not that is fine but I just want more meaning to his death

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    • Yes, there is a meaning to his death. The prophecy of the seven remember? 

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    • i feel like jason WILL stay dead and piper WONT die because that will allow a reunioun.

      there was a line about the changeling lord

      that could be frank

      i feel like franks gonna die

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    • If Piper will die that would be like SilenaxBeckendorf 2.0

      Frank's dying makes sense, and Hazel's dying makes sense too. 

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    • ^Exactly. Don't forget Leo, too.

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    • I don't think Leo is dying anymore. I have a feeling the next book is hinting more deaths. I do not think Piper will die, I don't think she'll appear in the next book anyway. If Frank dies, then it'll be sad except for the fact that another ex-main character is dying. I won't mind, especially since his stick is already half-burnt. 

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    • GryffindormiraculousPJ wrote:
      I don't think Leo is dying anymore. I have a feeling the next book is hinting more deaths. I do not think Piper will die, I don't think she'll appear in the next book anyway. If Frank dies, then it'll be sad except for the fact that another ex-main character is dying. I won't mind, especially since his stick is already half-burnt. 

      But remember what Nico said in the Blood of Olympus? He told Frank his stick is not going to get brunt for a while. Also remember Leo got a magical fire proof bag for Frank to put his stick in . 

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    • Zbox46 wrote:
      GryffindormiraculousPJ wrote:
      I don't think Leo is dying anymore. I have a feeling the next book is hinting more deaths. I do not think Piper will die, I don't think she'll appear in the next book anyway. If Frank dies, then it'll be sad except for the fact that another ex-main character is dying. I won't mind, especially since his stick is already half-burnt. 
      But remember what Nico said in the Blood of Olympus? He told Frank his stick is not going to get brunt for a while. Also remember Leo got a magical fire proof bag for Frank to put his stick in . 

      Doesn't mean it can't fall out and become a burnable stick. What if it's stolen? Who knows? I have a feeling anyone a part of the prophecies in ToA might die so it's ominous. 

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    • If the villains/Emperors and their allies would not steal Frank's stick, then they prove that they're utter idiots just like the Gaea and the Giants. I would expected Frank's stick had stolen in the HoO somewhere and somehow, because, come on. None of the villains thought about that or tried really to do so, and it was just ridiculous and a prove that they were all dumbs. If Frank's stick stolen by them, it would be nice to see that in the series. 

      And, for the 'cruelity', in Apollo series, If the Emperors gonna steal Frank's stick and burn it in order to kill him, i would tell that; make Leo burn Frank's stick and end his life. Ironic tragedy.

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    • Tbh, the Roman emperors don’t really have a reason to steal Frank’s stick YET since (correct me if I’m wrong), Frank hasn’t shown himself to any of the 3 emperors for now (until the next book of course). I could really see Frank or Hazel dying in the next book, but I highly doubt Rick would kill off Leo again. In my opinion, Leo’s possible second death would be worse than his resurrection after his previous ‘death’.

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    • Iris told to Frank that, he will die watching his stick burns. So this probably can happen in the next book. 

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    • Nice reminder. I mean, Frank's dying makes sense. In the next book, Frank will be there so if he faces with the Emperors and somehow that steal his stick and burn it (prefferable, make Leo burn the stick.) it freaking fits with what Iris told to him. 

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    • I'm surprised more people haven't mentioned this yet, but I feel like Rick is trying to be more and more "Game of Thrones". As in, he's trying to say that most demigods don't get the happy ending that we see the protagonists get in the HoO. It's his way of appealing to the audience he thinks - and rightfully so - is maturing. In real life, anybody can die anyway at any time, whether it be going out nobly in battle, or in peacefully in bed. Honestly, I'm just glad that he decided that Jason can die fighting against the enemy in order to protect his friends and ex-girlfriend (come on, how badass is that?) instead of, say, choking on a brownie or falling and drowning in a river.

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    • What? The 'main` six from the first series, namely Percy, Annabeth, Thalia, Grover, Tyson, Nico remain unscathed. The other five main characters introduced in HoO are also alive. How is this turning into Game of Thrones where you look left and right, someone dies.

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    • Honestly, how this is comparable to Got? Got kills many of it's main characters whereas in the Riordanverse the only main character died is Jason, and is Luke whom is joined to the Titans. Other were always minor characters in the series. Very, very ridiculous and funny compare.

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    • Delariona wrote:
      Honestly, how this is comparable to Got? Got kills many of it's main characters whereas in the Riordanverse the only main character died is Jason, and is Luke whom is joined to the Titans. Other were always minor characters in the series. Very, very ridiculous and funny compare.

      They are ridicous to compare though we can all agree TOA has a darker mood then the other  percy Jackson books if the tri thingy has been influcing the world from behind the curtains cause they want the world to be destroyed or whatever is it possible that they are responsible for the children of the big three (the ones that aren't suppose to be alive) knowing that like a titan war was coming? And did the Roman version of the gods ever take the oath to not have children was that ever revealed?

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    • Delariona wrote:
      Honestly, how this is comparable to Got? Got kills many of it's main characters whereas in the Riordanverse the only main character died is Jason, and is Luke whom is joined to the Titans. Other were always minor characters in the series. Very, very ridiculous and funny compare.

      I think a lot of people misunderstood my comment. If you read closely, you'll see that I wasn't saying that the Riordanverse was exactly the same as GOT. Rather, I was saying how the mood and the plot was slightly taking after the series - that is, darker and more mature, with the unexpected character death especially striking. The fact that Rick is doing this doesn't make it immediately an 18+, gory, HBO TV show. In fact, my original message wasn't comparing the series to Game of Thrones, I was comparing to all the other series Rick has wrote (except, of course, the Tres Navarre saga). The other series were lighthearted and definitely tailored to a younger audience. Sure, there were some dark moments, but nothing compared to the Burning Maze.

      It's like I said before: RR realizes that his original audience has grown up and wants more realistic stories - and he delivered. Personally, I like the direction his books are heading, but it may disincentive younger readers. We'll just have to wait and see.

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    • Nope. TBM is a slight step up in maturity but still, it's for children.

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    • Yeah, you are not comparing at all, when you said this: I feel like Rick is trying to be more and more "Game of Thrones"

      A more logical and sensible thing would be mentioning Harry Potter, at least the target audience are the same; young adult, but morely, children. If you were mentioned HP, I would not say anything. But, wait, I would say a thing because HP's books are more darker and mature than the Riordan's books, BM included. At least HP kill it's characters, the characters we got to know more and managed to know well, and it has more darker and mature elements. Rick nor 'trying to be more and more GoT'- he is not even writing as HP, when it's about getting darker and mature. 

      And, BM is a little bit darker than the other books Riordan wrote, but i wouldn't say it really got mature or darker. It's just a little slight step up, and when it's a little bit and slight, I wouldn't call it more mature or darker. And yes, it still is for children. 

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    • Delariona wrote:
      If the villains/Emperors and their allies would not steal Frank's stick, then they prove that they're utter idiots just like the Gaea and the Giants. I would expected Frank's stick had stolen in the HoO somewhere and somehow, because, come on. None of the villains thought about that or tried really to do so, and it was just ridiculous and a prove that they were all dumbs. If Frank's stick stolen by them, it would be nice to see that in the series. 

      And, for the 'cruelity', in Apollo series, If the Emperors gonna steal Frank's stick and burn it in order to kill him, i would tell that; make Leo burn Frank's stick and end his life. Ironic tragedy.

      Yes, except thus far they don't seem to be utter idiots. One main protagonist from a previous series was demised. The most ironic tragedy. However, Leo would NEVER burn Frank's stick no matter how distant they are. I have a feeling he is trying to be less Harry Potter. Remember how people depicted Lightning thief as a ripoff of HP? He wouldn't want that. Plus one of the major characters died in ToA which thus far has never happened in HP, only one-time major characters. If you would count Dumbledore as a protagonist then she technically did but nothing else. Sure HP is darker, nonetheless it matures as it goes on and Rick hasn't made it much darker until he's written like 10 books before. I have a feeling Reyna is walking to her death with Meg. More Reyna. Do Hazel and Leo count. Plus Harry never died did he? He had three of the deathly hallows with him at the same time didn't he? HE died, but not really. Furthermore it's been a long time since I picked up a Harry Potter book.

      Oh, did I mention divergent where the MAIN CHARACTER got killed off like a piece of paper.

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    • Yes, except thus far they don't seem to be utter idiots. One main protagonist from a previous series was demised.

      Honestly, Caligula killed a main character, I can give a credit Riordan for that, but I do not think still that the other Emperors prove that they are not dumbs. Nero is so freaking dramatic- and not in a good way- he goes and plays cheap games when he could have killed much more characters (not just minor-minor ones), if he wasn't goofing around just like the cliche villains, and Commodus is worse than him.

      I expect more of Caligula, I hope Riordan do write more of that him, and doesn't go and make Caligula some hilarious clown.

      However, Leo would NEVER burn Frank's stick no matter how distant they are.

      Villains's intelligence proves itself when this time comes. Of course no one would burn Frank's stick, Leo and the others; it's the same thing. They do not want to burn and kill Frank, logically. But, if the villains think something smart and plays with them and somehow they make Leo burn the stick- then it can happen. 

      Jason's dying was sad, but Leo's burning Frank's stick and killing him accidently with his own hands? That's more of tragic irony than Jason's dying when he was fighting with the villain. For Jason's situation, if Piper killed Jason with her own hands- accidently- that would be more tragic and ironic like, Leo's burning Frank's stick. Am I cruel? 

      And, I do not think killing the main characters shows that Riordan does write same as Hp. It's ridiculous. Killing the important characters happen everywhere and everyime in the other books too, it's up to the author's doesn't pull some safe zone on his/her characters.

      Dumbledore was a main character, he was mentor of the others. Or Snape, Lupin, Sirius and Dobby. You can say that the characters like Cedric, Fred, or maybe Tonks were more minor characters but others were pretty major and main.

      Anyways, in my headcanon, Apollo dies and I do not care. He can die when he tries to save others (Meg, Reyna, Hazel or Frank, someone.) and that would make Apollo looks like a hero, or whatever. That would be plot twist because none of the people would think that Apollo actually can die in the series of the book.

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    • theres this hc that rr is just killing anyone nico cares about alot

      aka: will, reyna, jason and hazel

      now just hazel reyna and will

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    • Well, that's messed up. PTSD waits for everyone.

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    • Not really. Characters, save for Nico, have immense mental-plot armor.

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    • It shouldn't be anymore, after this point. You must be a sociopath or highly apathetic to have not some kind of serious PTSD. 

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    • I guess almost all of our characters are sociopaths. *shrugs*

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    • It's really sad and unrealistic seriously... 

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    • GryffindormiraculousPJ wrote:
      Zbox46 wrote:
      GryffindormiraculousPJ wrote:
      I don't think Leo is dying anymore. I have a feeling the next book is hinting more deaths. I do not think Piper will die, I don't think she'll appear in the next book anyway. If Frank dies, then it'll be sad except for the fact that another ex-main character is dying. I won't mind, especially since his stick is already half-burnt. 
      But remember what Nico said in the Blood of Olympus? He told Frank his stick is not going to get brunt for a while. Also remember Leo got a magical fire proof bag for Frank to put his stick in . 
      Doesn't mean it can't fall out and become a burnable stick. What if it's stolen? Who knows? I have a feeling anyone a part of the prophecies in ToA might die so it's ominous. 

      That's not a bad theory, but this is Frank we're talking about I don't think he would let it out of his sight nor would Hazel (I don't remember who has it). But I did go back and look at the stick it Iris said he would die holding his stick watching it burn ( wow that is super dark). So I don't know this is a super tricky question.

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    • In the event Jason doesn't come back I would like to see Apollo and Meg take a trip to the Underworld for maybe advice from Hades? I don't know. But while in the Underworld they see Demeter as a guest like in "The Last Olympian" and that way Meg can have an encounter with her mother.  I feel like it's not necssarry, but I would like to see there interaction with each other. Also maybe Meg and Apollo see Elysium and maybe can go inside it despite not being dead though. Then we can really see the inside of it since we have only seen the outside. 

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    • Delariona wrote:
      Yes, except thus far they don't seem to be utter idiots. One main protagonist from a previous series was demised.

      Honestly, Caligula killed a main character, I can give a credit Riordan for that, but I do not think still that the other Emperors prove that they are not dumbs. Nero is so freaking dramatic- and not in a good way- he goes and plays cheap games when he could have killed much more characters (not just minor-minor ones), if he wasn't goofing around just like the cliche villains, and Commodus is worse than him.

      I expect more of Caligula, I hope Riordan do write more of that him, and doesn't go and make Caligula some hilarious clown.

      However, Leo would NEVER burn Frank's stick no matter how distant they are.

      Villains's intelligence proves itself when this time comes. Of course no one would burn Frank's stick, Leo and the others; it's the same thing. They do not want to burn and kill Frank, logically. But, if the villains think something smart and plays with them and somehow they make Leo burn the stick- then it can happen. 

      Jason's dying was sad, but Leo's burning Frank's stick and killing him accidently with his own hands? That's more of tragic irony than Jason's dying when he was fighting with the villain. For Jason's situation, if Piper killed Jason with her own hands- accidently- that would be more tragic and ironic like, Leo's burning Frank's stick. Am I cruel? 

      And, I do not think killing the main characters shows that Riordan does write same as Hp. It's ridiculous. Killing the important characters happen everywhere and everyime in the other books too, it's up to the author's doesn't pull some safe zone on his/her characters.

      Dumbledore was a main character, he was mentor of the others. Or Snape, Lupin, Sirius and Dobby. You can say that the characters like Cedric, Fred, or maybe Tonks were more minor characters but others were pretty major and main.

      Anyways, in my headcanon, Apollo dies and I do not care. He can die when he tries to save others (Meg, Reyna, Hazel or Frank, someone.) and that would make Apollo looks like a hero, or whatever. That would be plot twist because none of the people would think that Apollo actually can die in the series of the book.

      Well, they seemed to have cause some amount of damage as in they took some time (some time as in they were harder to defeat compared to other Riordan villains) to defeat. Not like the villains alongside Gaia, they were real idiots. I expect a lot more from Caligula than from both Nero and Commodus combined since Caligula was hard to defeat unlike Nero and Commodus. Rick seems to have made an effort into making his villains darker, Medea was much more effective in this book and was a pretty good villain, Caligula was slightly arrogant with Jason, but he did seem to put some effort into it with slightly less goofing along the way. 

      Yes, the villains might burn Frank's stick, but now that I think about it more, I don't see how they'll go after Frank unless they wanna hurt Hazel, Frank's death might not mean anything much to Apollo unless he died trying to save them and not die through the burning of his stick. Leo burning Frank's stick now sounds way too dark for a Riordan book. He'd never do that! Plus it might be tragic, but he could just kill of Meg mercilessly or kill Reyna to make it more tragic. People seem to like Reyna a lot more that Jason or Frank anyway. I'm sorry if I sound a bit obsessed with the thought of Reyna's demise. 

      Well, you are slightly cruel in sticking to the idea of making Leo burn Frank's life span. But then again, I want Reyna to live and die, at this point I'm positive I don't make much sense. 

      Dumbledore dying didn't have much feels on me. Like . . . I seriously never felt sorry for him and just shrugged it off. Only Harry's reaction made the death 10 times worse otherwise I would've overlooked it. I wouldn't count Sirius, Dobby, Tonks or Lupin as major characters more like they occasionally come but when they do, they play somewhat of a major role. 

      Even I don't care about Apollo's death. Let him die, idc. I never liked Apollo anyway, the only good thing about Apollo is he's different from other main characters. He is not brave, or selfless, particularly good looking or even humble. That makes him unique. 

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    • I feel like he made then slightly riduclus on purpose then we wouldn't expect such dark villians in book 3 

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    • Not purposely, because the Gaea and the Giants were arc enemies yet they were all utter dumbs which is really cringey and jokable, plus they were supposedly the strongest, dangerous enemies we had seen, except it was just said but not shown in the serie and it's also ridiculous too. None of the arc enemies should have written as utter iditos like that, especially if you intent to create some false threats, or making and using ridiculous tricks to attempt to look after-villains as threatening than the other ones. We have been saw Gaea and the Giants as really dangerous, threatening enemies, and we have been saw Emperors still remain as dangerous too. 

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    • Helldenzian wrote: Not purposely, because the Gaea and the Giants were arc enemies yet they were all utter dumbs which is really cringey and jokable, plus they were supposedly the strongest, dangerous enemies we had seen, except it was just said but not shown in the serie and it's also ridiculous too. None of the arc enemies should have written as utter iditos like that, especially if you intent to create some false threats, or making and using ridiculous tricks to attempt to look after-villains as threatening than the other ones. We have been saw Gaea and the Giants as really dangerous, threatening enemies, and we have been saw Emperors still remain as dangerous too. 

      I agree, not to mention apparently Gaia is supposed to be stronger than Zeus and the Olympians together etc and all we got was a one paged battle.

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    • RIP OPEN DOES DOORS O DEATH AND GRAB HIM, PIPER!

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    • RIPJASON! wrote:
      RIP OPEN DOES DOORS O DEATH AND GRAB HIM, PIPER!

      It wouldn't be that easy! The doors have to be opened and closed on both sides, so someone would have to go into Tarturus and someone else would have to go through the House of Hades again. Plus, how hard would it be to find the doors? It relocates every time someone uses it. In HOO, it was chained, so it stayed in place. Plus, some monsters could slip through the doors while they are open. Oh, and did I mention that all of this would be useless, because Jason would be in the Underworld, not Tarturus.

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    • okay hear me out. there’s a myth where a guy almost succeeds in resurrecting his wife by luring her out of the underworld with music. the only reason he doesn’t succeed is because she’s not fully submerged in sunlight when he turns to face her (that was the condition for her to return to the mortal world: she must walk into the light before he turned to look at her.) i feel like with pipers formally mentioned singing talents from BoO, this could totally happen. i really want to see jason return. i was intetested in his character development and i feel as if his time with us (the readers, that is) was cut too short.

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    • Bobbobbobbob99 wrote: okay hear me out. there’s a myth where a guy almost succeeds in resurrecting his wife by luring her out of the underworld with music. the only reason he doesn’t succeed is because she’s not fully submerged in sunlight when he turns to face her (that was the condition for her to return to the mortal world: she must walk into the light before he turned to look at her.) i feel like with pipers formally mentioned singing talents from BoO, this could totally happen. i really want to see jason return. i was intetested in his character development and i feel as if his time with us (the readers, that is) was cut too short.

      Yes but . . . Well, I can’t deny it won’t happen but I have a feeling Rick is being serious here when he meant killing Jason off. But then again, possibility is still unlocked.

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    • GryffindormiraculousPJ wrote:

      Bobbobbobbob99 wrote: okay hear me out. there’s a myth where a guy almost succeeds in resurrecting his wife by luring her out of the underworld with music. the only reason he doesn’t succeed is because she’s not fully submerged in sunlight when he turns to face her (that was the condition for her to return to the mortal world: she must walk into the light before he turned to look at her.) i feel like with pipers formally mentioned singing talents from BoO, this could totally happen. i really want to see jason return. i was intetested in his character development and i feel as if his time with us (the readers, that is) was cut too short.

      Yes but . . . Well, I can’t deny it won’t happen but I have a feeling Rick is being serious here when he meant killing Jason off. But then again, possibility is still unlocked.

      This is a really good theory I would've never thought of that. And I would love for Jason to come back but I would also love like I sad in a previous respond I would like to see Meg meet her mother and maybe Apollo see Hades and maybe let them be the exception and he lets them in to Elysium and they could see Jason. Another thought would be Apollo getting advice from Hades.

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    • Zbox46 wrote:

      GryffindormiraculousPJ wrote:

      Bobbobbobbob99 wrote: okay hear me out. there’s a myth where a guy almost succeeds in resurrecting his wife by luring her out of the underworld with music. the only reason he doesn’t succeed is because she’s not fully submerged in sunlight when he turns to face her (that was the condition for her to return to the mortal world: she must walk into the light before he turned to look at her.) i feel like with pipers formally mentioned singing talents from BoO, this could totally happen. i really want to see jason return. i was intetested in his character development and i feel as if his time with us (the readers, that is) was cut too short.

      Yes but . . . Well, I can’t deny it won’t happen but I have a feeling Rick is being serious here when he meant killing Jason off. But then again, possibility is still unlocked.

      This is a really good theory I would've never thought of that. And I would love for Jason to come back but I would also love like I sad in a previous respond I would like to see Meg meet her mother and maybe Apollo see Hades and maybe let them be the exception and he lets them in to Elysium and they could see Jason. Another thought would be Apollo getting advice from Hades.

      I would love for Jason to stay dead. Then again, even I would never have come up with that theory. It just seems . . . Well it does seem likely if Rick didn’t take Jason’s death seriously.

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    • GryffindormiraculousPJ wrote:

      Zbox46 wrote:

      GryffindormiraculousPJ wrote:

      Bobbobbobbob99 wrote: okay hear me out. there’s a myth where a guy almost succeeds in resurrecting his wife by luring her out of the underworld with music. the only reason he doesn’t succeed is because she’s not fully submerged in sunlight when he turns to face her (that was the condition for her to return to the mortal world: she must walk into the light before he turned to look at her.) i feel like with pipers formally mentioned singing talents from BoO, this could totally happen. i really want to see jason return. i was intetested in his character development and i feel as if his time with us (the readers, that is) was cut too short.

      Yes but . . . Well, I can’t deny it won’t happen but I have a feeling Rick is being serious here when he meant killing Jason off. But then again, possibility is still unlocked.
      This is a really good theory I would've never thought of that. And I would love for Jason to come back but I would also love like I sad in a previous respond I would like to see Meg meet her mother and maybe Apollo see Hades and maybe let them be the exception and he lets them in to Elysium and they could see Jason. Another thought would be Apollo getting advice from Hades.
      I would love for Jason to stay dead. Then again, even I would never have come up with that theory. It just seems . . . Well it does seem likely if Rick didn’t take Jason’s death seriously.

      Jason staying dead would DEFIANTLY  be a turning point. Like I've aid I would want Apollo and Meg to visit him it would be amazing so see what Eylsuim is like ans maybe we can see Zoe, Selena, and Beckendorf.

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    • I don’t think Jason will be brought back to life. He knew what was going to happen if he went after Caligula and he seems like he will obey the laws of death. So unless Apollo goes to the underworld, either journies their or dies in the last book, I don’t think we will see the son of Jupiter anymore.

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    • I think he will come back as minor god. In older Greek mythology many heroes were converted into god after they died.. Hercules aridane aclepieous, etc. He will probably come back as god of demigods, or friendship and work side by side with Apollo on making temples and miniature action figures for god's. After all his sister Thalia is also immortal working side by side with Artemis. If he become god who's job is to help demigods then there will be nice twist in the plot.

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      I think he will come back as minor god. In older Greek mythology many heroes were converted into god after they died.. Hercules aridane aclepieous, etc. He will probably come back as god of demigods, or friendship and work side by side with Apollo on making temples and miniature action figures for god's. After all his sister Thalia is also immortal working side by side with Artemis. If he become god who's job is to help demigods then there will be nice twist in the plot.

      That's a pretty good idea then it would be like a parell to Hercules. But then again him staying dead would be a turning point where Rick is serous about the characters he kills. 

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    • Windshear1 wrote: I honestly doubt he'll be brought back. Which is unfortunate, because I literally JUST got attached to his character before he died.

      Anyway, when Hazel was brought back, there was a lot of chaos with the Doors of Death. Many people and monsters escaped due to Thanatos being chained and the Doors left open. This allowed Hazel to escape as well. However, now that it's all back to normal, Jason can't get out the same way Hazel did.

      Plus, when Jason talked about how he found the Sybil and was given the prophecy that either he or Piper would die, he specified that it meant permanent death. He made it sound like there was really no going back.

      I hope we'll at least get to see him in Elysium though.

      Yeah but didn’t like everyone at one point changed a prophecy? Leo was destined to die but he eventually comes back to life and fulfills his promise to Calypso. Why can’t Jason come back? He’s one of the Seven. He’s one of the most important characters in the series’s right? Also was is Piper that was told by Aphrodite that her love life was going to be complicated? I feel like and I hope that Riordan has some sort of trick up his sleeve, right?

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    • SerpentineDG wrote:

      Windshear1 wrote: I honestly doubt he'll be brought back. Which is unfortunate, because I literally JUST got attached to his character before he died.

      Anyway, when Hazel was brought back, there was a lot of chaos with the Doors of Death. Many people and monsters escaped due to Thanatos being chained and the Doors left open. This allowed Hazel to escape as well. However, now that it's all back to normal, Jason can't get out the same way Hazel did.

      Plus, when Jason talked about how he found the Sybil and was given the prophecy that either he or Piper would die, he specified that it meant permanent death. He made it sound like there was really no going back.

      I hope we'll at least get to see him in Elysium though.

      Yeah but didn’t like everyone at one point changed a prophecy? Leo was destined to die but he eventually comes back to life and fulfills his promise to Calypso. Why can’t Jason come back? He’s one of the Seven. He’s one of the most important characters in the series’s right? Also was is Piper that was told by Aphrodite that her love life was going to be complicated? I feel like and I hope that Riordan has some sort of trick up his sleeve, right?

      I think that when Aphrodite said that THAT is what she meant and how it would be complicated. 

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    • I’m really sorry, crazed fans, but I sincerely hope Jason doesn’t return to life. Sure, it’d be cool to see him again, but returning Jason to life would make the death meaningless. If Jason returned, it wouldn’t be good. Also, his death has changed Piper, Jason, Percy, Annabeth, probably Hazel and Frank, and everyone who knew him. So this death was necessary to move the story forward.

       I hope Jason doesn’t return to life. I’m sorry.
      

      RIPJASON! wrote: RIP OPEN DOES DOORS O DEATH AND GRAB HIM, PIPER!

      Too easy, that would never work. Think about it. Are the doors of death likely to open into Elysium? And is Piper going to Greece?

      Actual_Intelligence wrote: Jesus guys, I don’t want Piper to go to Greece. How would they even get there? Be smart, guys.

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    • MagnusBorn wrote: I’m really sorry, crazed fans, but I sincerely hope Jason doesn’t return to life. Sure, it’d be cool to see him again, but returning Jason to life would make the death meaningless. If Jason returned, it wouldn’t be good. Also, his death has changed Piper, Jason, Percy, Annabeth, probably Hazel and Frank, and everyone who knew him. So this death was necessary to move the story forward.

       I hope Jason doesn’t return to life. I’m sorry.
      

      RIPJASON! wrote: RIP OPEN DOES DOORS O DEATH AND GRAB HIM, PIPER!

      Too easy, that would never work. Think about it. Are the doors of death likely to open into Elysium? And is Piper going to Greece?

      Actual_Intelligence wrote: Jesus guys, I don’t want Piper to go to Greece. How would they even get there? Be smart, guys.

      I totally agree with you! Good to see someone who shares the same view as me. I agree that would immensely change the dynamics between the seven (now six).

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    • I know before I was all like Jason can’t be dead nooo here’s why he can’t be dead but now i kinda want him to stay dead if he dosent there is no danger no consequences and it was sad he died but it makes sense though I think it is completely possible for Frank to die and for real i don’t like Frank if he died this is what would happen “oh know frank died that so sad ON TO CHAPTER 36” though I know a lot of you would probably cry if frank died (my brother being one of them)I just never liked him he’s like oh my life is so horrible oh know my stick ahhh Plus he dosent like my boy Leo so that is an imidiate strike against him anyway back on topic Iris said that frank would die watching his stick burn but it was in The far off future though we all know Iris is a goddes immortal goddes so....there time perception is a little wonky I really want to know who will heal Reynas heart rodain can’t leave us hanging there a friend of mine theorized that since reyan would never find love in another demigod she would find love in Apollo or maybe meg in like a sisterly way soooo yeah I kinda want Jason to stay dead......

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    • Honestly, this shouldn't even be a debate. I can only assume people are being willfully ignorant. The author literally outrights says, not once, but multiple times that:

      Jason isn't coming back. It's a permanent death. 

      Jason isn't coming back. It's a permanent death.

      Jason isn't coming back. It's a permanent death.

      Permanent≠Temporary. Good authors pick and choose every word that goes into their stories. So when a prophecy (which is set in stone) says permanent death, you know the person isn't coming back. Riordan didn't throw in that word because it looked nice. Never before has a prophecy specified it's a permanent death and, in-Universe, it'd be an odd thing to specify. So, we can only assume he did it for the readers, who were starting to lose tension in the story because people kept reviving. How can a reader feel suspense in a story if the biggest threat, death, isn't even permanent and was treated as more of a minor inconvenience? By killing Jason and specifying that it is permanent, Riordan is saying that: Look, there's going to be no BS revival this time! There's an actual threat to the heroes. There are real consequences at stake that are permanent.

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    • VidiaPhoenix wrote: Honestly, this shouldn't even be a debate. I can only assume people are being willfully ignorant. The author literally outrights says, not once, but multiple times that:

      Jason isn't coming back. It's a permanent death. 

      Jason isn't coming back. It's a permanent death.

      Jason isn't coming back. It's a permanent death.

      Permanent≠Temporary. Good authors pick and choose every word that goes into their stories. So when a prophecy (which is set in stone) says permanent death, you know the person isn't coming back. Riordan didn't throw in that word because it looked nice. Never before has a prophecy specified it's a permanent death and, in-Universe, it'd be an odd thing to specify. So, we can only assume he did it for the readers, who were starting to lose tension in the story because people kept reviving. How can a reader feel suspense in a story if the biggest threat, death, isn't even permanent and was treated as more of a minor inconvenience? By killing Jason and specifying that it is permanent, Riordan is saying that: Look, there's going to be no BS revival this time! There's an actual threat to the heroes. There are real consequences at stake that are permanent.

      I do completely agree, then again, Rick is an author who has bought back multiple characters from the dead so I can see where this discussion is coming from. Thus far we do have some interesting theories. Then again, even I agree about Jason actually staying dead.

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    • I have this theory that Apollo decides that instead of immortality, he would rather bring all the people that have died for him because of the Styx curse (Jason?) would come back. That,or Jason becomes a minor god and builds the rest of the shrines for the rest of the minor gods.

      It's probs just wishful thinking, tbh. But you can always hope, right? Jiper was my favourite(sorry!) so I sorta just want that to happen.

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    • I hope not.

      Bringing Leo back absolutely RUINED his entire character. He went from top 5 to barely top 10.

      Also, Kronos and Gaea were pretty crap villains, and while Nero may be stale and boring, Commodus is funny and Caligula is an actual threat. Returning Jason ruins Jason, the villains and the story.

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    • 8th Hero of Olympus wrote:
      OK, slightly different question - since the prophecy Jason heard said that he would die permanently, how would Riordan go about bringing Jason back if he wanted to? :(

      Elysium. Heros that go there can chose to get reborn if they wanted to. Some of the heros from PJO went there and got reborn probably. He could do the same with Jason  and we just never get see him again. Or they just talk to him as a Ghost like Binica.

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    • Honestly at this point I see there being no reason to discuss Jason’s death but rather how it would affect others and the quest and what will happen then. We know Jason is dead, AND WILL STAY DEAD cause it’s been mentioned quite a lot of times. Well, the Elysium thing is more like rebirth not resurrection. He’ll be born again, probabaly just not as Jason.

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    • GryffindormiraculousPJ wrote:
      Honestly at this point I see there being no reason to discuss Jason’s death but rather how it would affect others and the quest and what will happen then. We know Jason is dead, AND WILL STAY DEAD cause it’s been mentioned quite a lot of times. Well, the Elysium thing is more like rebirth not resurrection. He’ll be born again, probabaly just not as Jason.

      I see your point and understand that. Yes we should be taking about that too. (If you want to talk about it make a discussion) And I totally understand if he stays dead.  And that technically it still wouldn't be Jason if he was reborn. How ever the characters should still talk about him no mater what. I would be angry if they didn't. I also hope that Apollo keeps his promise to Jason. Also many writers know there going to be people that have a problem with a character dieing. But sometimes you just need new edge and characters. Once  Upon a Time should take a lesson from him. And if They did a Nico and went after some one who cheated death I would not like it. You're just asking to get killed it you do.

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    • Applesstorys wrote:
      GryffindormiraculousPJ wrote:
      Honestly at this point I see there being no reason to discuss Jason’s death but rather how it would affect others and the quest and what will happen then. We know Jason is dead, AND WILL STAY DEAD cause it’s been mentioned quite a lot of times. Well, the Elysium thing is more like rebirth not resurrection. He’ll be born again, probabaly just not as Jason.
      I see your point and understand that. Yes we should be taking about that too. (If you want to talk about it make a discussion) And I totally understand if he stays dead.  And that technically it still wouldn't be Jason if he was reborn. How ever the characters should still talk about him no mater what. I would be angry if they didn't. I also hope that Apollo keeps his promise to Jason. Also many writers know there going to be people that have a problem with a character dieing. But sometimes you just need new edge and characters. Once  Upon a Time should take a lesson from him. And if They did a Nico and went after some one who cheated death I would not like it. You're just asking to get killed it you do.

      Personally by seeing how Leo and Piper reacted just waited until Thalia AND Reyna find out.. its not going got be a happy day for Caligula. At some point in Trails of Apollo I know its about Apollo and Meg but I would like to see maybe these rest of the 7 fighting Caligula and them saying something about Jason's death. And maybe even a reserve the Greek and Romans made up at Camp Half Blood  maybe all or most of the campers from Half Blood  can go to see Jason's funeral. Then maybe a couple of younger campers ask the rest of the 7 about what he did and both Roman and Greeks would pitch in their favorite moments about him. 

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    • I was kinda wondered to be honest what was that? 

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    • What was what

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    • Gage... is that you?

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    • Penny24580 wrote: JASON COMES BACK TO LIFE!!! This will proof to you that he will come back to life. In the book the blood of Olympus it said:

      He was sitting in a rocking chair on the front porch of a house on the California coast. Piper was serving lemonade. Her hair was grey. Deep lines Etched the corners of her eyes, but she was still as beautiful as ever. Jason's grandchildren  sat around his feet, and he was trying to explain to them what had happened on this day in Athens...

      To read all of it, read CHAPTER XLIX PAGE 434 THE BLOOD OF OLYMPUS. This proves to you that he will come back to life if not there is an error in the story. another reason is because in magnus chase it said someone will  come back to life! (Fingers Crossed he will come back to life he was my favourite character)

      LIKE IF YOU FOUND THIS TRUE

      That was Jason imagining it, not something that is definitely going to happen. When did Magnus say someone will come back to life? It’s not an error in the story either, it’s just Jason imagining a bright future for himself.

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    • Windshear1 wrote:
      I honestly doubt he'll be brought back. Which is unfortunate, because I literally JUST got attached to his character before he died.

      Anyway, when Hazel was brought back, there was a lot of chaos with the Doors of Death. Many people and monsters escaped due to Thanatos being chained and the Doors left open. This allowed Hazel to escape as well. However, now that it's all back to normal, Jason can't get out the same way Hazel did.

      Plus, when Jason talked about how he found the Sybil and was given the prophecy that either he or Piper would die, he specified that it meant permanent death. He made it sound like there was really no going back.

      I hope we'll at least get to see him in Elysium though.

      Yea , I also just stopped hating on him .

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    • We can hope he will come back don't tell me you dont want Jason to come  back even just a little cuz you probably do. but we can all agree it would take away from  the plot if he came back. some people have said the grieving for Jason was really heavy ( example this hasn't happy yet but who wants to be In the same state as Thalia when she finds out Jason  is dead?!......that's what I thought) hinting to the fact that he is not coming back were as the grieving for Leo was light hinting to the fact that he was coming back (or maybe nobody loved him!! Haha that was funny................... JK I like leo) 

      Also delarion, I am not Gage I don't know who that is 

      Also I still really want to know what you were wondering what the thing you said you were wondering about is 

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      I hope so. I don't care what anybody says or thinks. I just hope he does.

      Why is it that I see your post in every forum ?

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    • Does it matter?

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    • Icananisa wrote:
      too bad Riordan choose Jason to die, when Jason finally find a new purpose of his life, build a better roman, uniting greek and roman yet he couldn't stay long enough to see it fully comes true

      this makes me feEEL SO HARD HHHHH ;'(((((

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    • Poor Jason :(

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    • Alfisyahvarach wrote:
      Delariona wrote:
      Leo's situation is a whole another issue with itself, tho. 
      How so?

      I think because Leo knew he was gonna die so he was ready and had his cure w/ him, but Jason just died.

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    • Well, I don't believe that Rick would just make them break up then kill Jason. I personally thinks he has some sort of a plan. He wouldn't kill one of the seven. And if he does...well lets just say we are lucky it wasn't Percy or Annabeth...

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    • Florez.jonathan wrote:
      Yeah this series honestly doesn’t even feel like a children’s book. Im also a teenager but this entire PJ/THoO/TOA series is one of the best ive ever read. I get what you mean with the realism, in movies and shows when main characters die I almost always would like it for them to stay dead. Not because i domt like the character but because i know they always come back and the creators never have the guts to kill them off for real. Killing off Jason Grace (who along with Piper, are my favorite characters) was such a forceful blow to my heart since i started reading THoO in 5th grade and it was the book that actually got me into reading. I guess it kind of ruined my childhood loll. It was a really bold move on Riordan’s part and i respect him for it. I just wish he could have executed it in a better way. It was all too sudden and unexpected (which may or may not have been his intention) but it hurt like hell. Usually i would be sad but accept that his death is for the best and want him to stay dead, but he was simply too big a character and i feel like even though he’s a fictional character, i knew him and it just hurts all the more like when a loved one dies. Props to Rick for finally having the guts to do something so drastic, but at the same time i still hope Jason comes back. He’s killed off too many people and then brings them back, for it to be different with Jason seems really unfair (which again may be his intention). I guess my emotional attachment to these characters just makes it hurt a bunch lol. But that’s basically why for the first time i want to be optimistic and hope that Jason isn’t going to stay dead and he and Piper can have another chance. Its an unrealistic hope, but hope nonetheless. I’ve decided to hold onto that very slim thread of hope until book 5 lol on which i will be super glad or all the more heart broken. 2020 has never felt so far away haha.

      yeah your not the only one i almost flipped a table with expensive glass ware when jason died

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    • I almost burnt my book when Rachel kissed Percy. I cries when Percabeth fell into tarturus. When Jason died...I felt mostly bad for Piper, but I got a spoiler that Jason died and I just read the chapter, and closed the book. I laid down and took a deep breath.

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    • Maybe he's in Valhalla

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    • Hunter of Artemis..no. See, maybe, but that is the Norse gods and that mythology. And Jason is roman, so this might be true...but highly unlikely. 

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    • IT is not likely At all Valhalla is Norse


      Guys what if Apollo heals reyana’s broken heart

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    • If heroes are going to keep on dying. Why not kill them all. I don't understand why people are hounding for the death of main characters. I think Rick has targeted a crowd of bloodthirsty readers and it's quite unsettling

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    • What do you mean?

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    • Meaning, -->she/he says that people's wanting deaths in the story is them being 'bloodthirsty' and that is unsettling. 

      -->If we kill characters why we do not just kill them already???? (Because characters dies and that should not have happened, and if some characters dies we should just kill them already because this thing already had happened.)

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    • Because if Percy, Annabeth, Grover, Meg, Frank, Hazel, Piper, Leo, Thalia, Nico, Miss O' Leary, Tyson, or any other CHB campers die (excluding Rachel), also Sam, Alex, Magnus, Hearth, or Blitzen, I don't think I will enjoy the series anymore...

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    • Smiley turnips WHAT ABOUT WILL IF WILL DIES THERE IS NO MORE SOLANGELO

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    • NOOOO! That probably won't happen. Right? Right?

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    • NO IT WON'T HAPPEN. IF IT DOES THEN RICK IS EVIL. I mean...I could see Will dying, although I see him not dying...on a happier note imagine if Rick Riordan made a book several years from now about everyone's married life and kids. That would be amazinngggg!!

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    • apollo could revive jason when he becomes a god again

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    • I’ve just read from the very start of the conversation to the end, and my head is legit spinnning. Jason grace, I’ve never admitted it before but, he was not my favourite character. Most of the time, he seemed too withdrawn and to secretive about his thoughts. Like one of the seven had said, (idk which lol) he seemed ‘too’ perfect. It seemed he had quite a bland history, but what if that’s not all? 2020... ugh. Maybe if rick writes a series about an actual catastrophe that happens, like Ragnarok for real or some other problem, maybe everyone will die and they all see each other again? Extreme beyond measure I know, but I wouldn’t put it past Rick Riordan to do so, like as a final sequel. One thing that keeps me going when the story is sad is the fact that whatever happens, eventually the 7 And Friends will all meet again, unless you count Magnus and carter and Sadie as well... Maybe the gods will decide that their children and hosts *cough Sadie and carter* need to have some sort of combined afterlife or camp. It would be the worst clique possible, but we would all be content with the fact that they are happy if not alive. Maybe if there’s a combined camp they can all communicate with the spirits and souls of the dead as long as they are in Elysium. I feel so so so sorry for piper.... even if she had doubted their relationship (I hate her for that).

      2020 seems so very far far away. I’ve got mixed feelings about the whole ‘Jason gets revived’ thing, but is a death still permanent if the gods choose to give them immortality? The prophecy could mean permanent as in never to live a mortal life again, or permanent as in hades never lets him become mortal. Maybe if Jason becomes a minor diety, I’m not saying he will, for all you haters, then he will make piper immortal IF they get back together when he’s a god. That’s what usually happens is that they can bestow immortality on someone they choose? At least once? CURSE YOU RICK FOR MAKING THIS SO CONFUSING AND THEATRICAL

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    • im pretty sure Annabeth said that about Jason

      Not in *that* way though

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    • SmileyTurnips wrote:
      NO IT WON'T HAPPEN. IF IT DOES THEN RICK IS EVIL. I mean...I could see Will dying, although I see him not dying...on a happier note imagine if Rick Riordan made a book several years from now about everyone's married life and kids. That would be amazinngggg!!

      I love all their relationships! Pls Riordan!!!! PLEASE!!!!

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    • Imagine if Percy died.

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    • I would shoot myself if Percy dies

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    • Don't. I don't think he will die. He can't. HE CAN'T!!!

      But.

      I don't see any of the other seven dying, but I do for some lovable side characters.

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    • I still don't understand why Zeus had to keep Lester/Apollo as a mortal. Yes, he was mad, but when it came to the point that his own son, Jason, died solely because Apollo was mortal, shouldn't that put a knot in his ever-glorious toga?

      And, plus, when Apollo was about to be sacrificed to let Caligula (or whoever it was; I can never keep those emperors straight...) become the new Sun God, why didn't Zeus do something? I mean, sure, it turned out okay, but Zeus had no way of knowing that the ritual wouldn't be successful. Is Zeus really mad enough at Apollo to continue his punishment in an intensity that dangers Zeus and the other gods?

      And, while I'm here, I have another Apollo question. If Apollo drives the sun chariot, shouldn't that take up the entire day? How does he have time to do any of the things he did in the other series' (while he was still the Sun God) if he spends the entire day driving a fiery car through the sky?

      Also, am I the only one who noticed that the huge hecta-penta-meter-whatever-soliloguy prophecy called Apollo "Lester" at first, and then "Apollo" near the end ("Apollo starts to jive"). So, does this mean he becomes a god again near the end? (I sure as heck hope so. I would be mad if Riordan made it all cliché and had Apollo realize he was happier as a mortal, he couldn't leave his friends, blah, blah, blah. I hate it when authors do that.)

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    • Well, I never really liked Jason, so, I don't want him to be resurrected. But when I look at it neutrally, knowing Rick, he will bring him back because he never rushes character deaths like this.

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    • Pipersvaldez wrote:
      as much as i want to believe jason will pull a leo and come back from the dead its highly unlikely. In BoO, when Leo is presumed "dead",you can tell Rick took a lighter tone with the grief. However in Jason's death scene the grief is heavy,especially in Piper. Thats who I knew we had most likely seen the last of Jason. Plus,Apollo had said multiple times that he was gone for good. His skin where they would him was white which usually means perma death. The only thing that bugs me about this is if you remember in BoO, Jason has a vision of himself with Piper in the future talking to their grandkids? This could have been just one version of the future but if in the 5th book that line comes back, I wouldn't be surprised. Rick must know/remember that scenario and will either explain it or bring him back to life.

      Also does anyone find it ironic that Leo "died" to save Jason and Piper, but in the end Jason ended up dying to save Piper and Leo? Maybe this is the last line in the Great Prophecy coming to play? If thats the case then I guess Gaea got the last laugh after all.

      Agreeing with this, I think that sadly, Jason will not come back. Part of me thinks it's because he's a Roman. But, I do still have a small hope because of the vision he had about him and piper with their grandkids.

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    • Some people:Jason will come back because of the vision with piper,Jason, and their grandkids!

      Some Other people:Well that could have been fake made up by Jason on the spot in a moment of crisis

      Me: I see both ends of the spectrum, but this is the Percy Jackson series we are talking about. Visions are never fake, or made up they all ways hold at least SOME truth in them, and I don’t think Uncle Rick forgot about this......but who knows what will happen maybe Rick will find a way to weave around this, And if he doesn’t I will consider the TOA non cannon

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    • It was elysiam (sry 'bout spelling) which means piper shall die to

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    • It can’t of been elysium because I’m pretty sure you can’t live a normal life there. Having kids that are technically dead? Yeah nah....

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    • Hi,

      Basically I think that Apollo, when he becomes a god could probably take help from his son or just ask Zeus to resurrect Jason. And everyone who thinks that resurrecting characters (eg Hazel and Leo) is making the story cliched and childish and too pleasant, I couldn't help but notice that ALL books by Uncle Rick are 9+ so killing characters isn't a good idea. We've seen so much death in Harry Potter, now HoO...i believe in happy endings...Jason died before he could even meet Leo which sort of messed up the trio...I want the trio- Jason, Leo and Piper to be back and the story to end because that was my favorite trio!

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    • I agree with ObssessedOverStuff, he did say that he was going to punish or reward people depending on how they help Apollo. Granted, Jason probably deserved to die (no offense) because he's lived long enough. It was said in The Blood of Olympus, or inferred that Jason and Piper were going to have kids but now knowing that that's not going to happen. Don't even lie about it, you have that ache in your heart.

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    • RRinehart wrote:
      I still don't understand why Zeus had to keep Lester/Apollo as a mortal. Yes, he was mad, but when it came to the point that his own son, Jason, died solely because Apollo was mortal, shouldn't that put a knot in his ever-glorious toga?

      And, plus, when Apollo was about to be sacrificed to let Caligula (or whoever it was; I can never keep those emperors straight...) become the new Sun God, why didn't Zeus do something? I mean, sure, it turned out okay, but Zeus had no way of knowing that the ritual wouldn't be successful. Is Zeus really mad enough at Apollo to continue his punishment in an intensity that dangers Zeus and the other gods?

      And, while I'm here, I have another Apollo question. If Apollo drives the sun chariot, shouldn't that take up the entire day? How does he have time to do any of the things he did in the other series' (while he was still the Sun God) if he spends the entire day driving a fiery car through the sky?

      Also, am I the only one who noticed that the huge hecta-penta-meter-whatever-soliloguy prophecy called Apollo "Lester" at first, and then "Apollo" near the end ("Apollo starts to jive"). So, does this mean he becomes a god again near the end? (I sure as heck hope so. I would be mad if Riordan made it all cliché and had Apollo realize he was happier as a mortal, he couldn't leave his friends, blah, blah, blah. I hate it when authors do that.)

      I agree...he's a GODDDD!!! This is completely weird because:

      -It's irrational to make Apollo mortal- he can fight python and the triumvirate WITH demigods to make everything easier...if gods don't participate maybe defeating the triumvirate AND pyton could be the punishment but Zeus just turned him into a MORTAL, like not even a demigod with a few superpowers,Lester swore on frigging Styx that he won't touch a bow or play an instrument and you know Zeus sucks as a god of law and order...

      - Like RRineheart said that Riordan could make it cliche and Lester would prefer to stay as a mortal  and be loyal to his demigod friends (though, no since Lester/ Apollo is potrayed as extremely self centered and self obssessed and keeps ranting about how early mortals die and how much it sucks without superpowers and such stuff...

      - Does Zeus not give a CRAP about the Sun/ Oracle/ Poetry/ Music/ Archery/ Healing/ Plague God dying???!!! He's an olympiannnn!!! Like he's one of the twelve MOST IMPORTANT GODS!

      -If Jason isn't resurrected (i've mentioned how he could be) Jasper and Leo fans will butcher him...

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    • Fifth Famous wrote: I think all the 7 will die by book 5, and Apollo would ask Zeus to revive them instead of giving him immortality.

      That would be horrible! Also, Rick will have to turn Apollo into a god at the end of the series, otherwise it wouldn’t follow mythology. He has no choice.

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    • Icananisa wrote: I've never really liked Jason, but the way he died, no matter how heroic that was appeared to be, it was not, he can't died just like that, beside, I remember that he looks like he whispered something to Tempest before he fell, we still don't know what he actually said right, it couldn't be "hey bud, just left me die here, make sure the other safe" which so Jason btw, but I hope there is something more about his death. It doesn't have to be resurrection, just something more.

      I agree sooooooo much
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    • Guys, Jason was a great demi-god, granted he was going to die since he IS a son of Jupiter. Children of the big three don't last every long anyways. Unless they're in New Rome, but Jason wasn't. Piper broke up with Jason because that is Aphrodite;s rite of passage. It was going to happen sooner or later. Hopefully, Annabeth doesn't breakup with Percy. 

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    • Inton Raiha wrote: Jason being brought back would be one of Rick's worst decisions along with letting Leo live again and giving Percy 0 Maturity 

      What are you talking about?! Everybody loves Percy just the way he is, and the way he acts is part of it. If you changed Percy’s personality people wouldn’t like him as much, and he wouldn’t be Percy anymore. He would be someone different entirely. If you want a more serous character, Jason is your person. Oh wait, you don’t like him. Never mind. Who do you like then? Obviously not Jason. I suppose your happy now that he’s dead *sob* now that he’s gone *sob* If you feel that way so be it, I can’t change how you feel. I’ll go now and sit in my dark little corner *sob*.

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    • Samirah ara wrote:

      Inton Raiha wrote: Jason being brought back would be one of Rick's worst decisions along with letting Leo live again and giving Percy 0 Maturity 

      What are you talking about?! Everybody loves Percy just the way he is, and the way he acts is part of it. If you changed Percy’s personality people wouldn’t like him as much, and he wouldn’t be Percy anymore. He would be someone different entirely. If you want a more serous character, Jason is your person. Oh wait, you don’t like him. Never mind. Who do you like then? Obviously not Jason. I suppose your happy now that he’s dead *sob* now that he’s gone *sob* If you feel that way so be it, I can’t change how you feel. I’ll go now and sit in my dark little corner *sob*.

      But Percy having 0 Maturity IS a change from the original books. Percy in the PJO series was pretty mature. He wasn't a big, dumb goofball like in the HoO. He was a troubled kid who grew up in an abusive household. His humor was very dry and sarcastic, even a little dark. While we as reader's took his narrative as humorous, he was actually pretty negative most of the time. In PJO, Percy solved nearly all his fights with intelligence. He outwitted Ares, led Antaeus up into the chains where Gaea couldn't heal him, beat Briares (a hundred handed one) at rock-paper-scissors, tricked Crusty into getting trapped in his own trap, etc.

      Also, Percy is a serious character. Yeah, he joked in the original series but he was not silly. When he led Camp Half-Blood in defending Olympus, he took his role seriously, especially when it came to his fellow camper's lives. When his friend's are in danger, he takes it pretty seriously. When he makes a promise, he takes it seriously and does everything he can to accomplish it. He took Nico's running away personally and seriously. In fact, he was serious for the majority of PJO.

      But yeah, I agree with Inton Raiha: Bringing Jason back would be one of Rick's worst writing decisions along with changing Percy from a 3-Dimensional, flawed hero to a 1-Dimensional goofy caricature.

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    • VidiaPhoenix wrote:

      Samirah ara wrote:

      Inton Raiha wrote: Jason being brought back would be one of Rick's worst decisions along with letting Leo live again and giving Percy 0 Maturity 

      What are you talking about?! Everybody loves Percy just the way he is, and the way he acts is part of it. If you changed Percy’s personality people wouldn’t like him as much, and he wouldn’t be Percy anymore. He would be someone different entirely. If you want a more serous character, Jason is your person. Oh wait, you don’t like him. Never mind. Who do you like then? Obviously not Jason. I suppose your happy now that he’s dead *sob* now that he’s gone *sob* If you feel that way so be it, I can’t change how you feel. I’ll go now and sit in my dark little corner *sob*.

      But Percy having 0 Maturity IS a change from the original books. Percy in the PJO series was pretty mature. He wasn't a big, dumb goofball like in the HoO. He was a troubled kid who grew up in an abusive household. His humor was very dry and sarcastic, even a little dark. While we as reader's took his narrative as humorous, he was actually pretty negative most of the time. In PJO, Percy solved nearly all his fights with intelligence. He outwitted Ares, led Antaeus up into the chains where Gaea couldn't heal him, beat Briares (a hundred handed one) at rock-paper-scissors, tricked Crusty into getting trapped in his own trap, etc.

      Also, Percy is a serious character. Yeah, he joked in the original series but he was not silly. When he led Camp Half-Blood in defending Olympus, he took his role seriously, especially when it came to his fellow camper's lives. When his friend's are in danger, he takes it pretty seriously. When he makes a promise, he takes it seriously and does everything he can to accomplish it. He took Nico's running away personally and seriously. In fact, he was serious for the majority of PJO.

      But yeah, I agree with Inton Raiha: Bringing Jason back would be one of Rick's worst writing decisions along with changing Percy from a 3-Dimensional, flawed hero to a 1-Dimensional goofy caricature.

      I see what you mean. Percy was a bit more serious in the first series. He also had humor though. I’m always reading and then I’ll make a little giggle, and whoever I’m with will think I’m crazy. Percy does seem less intelligent in the HoO. Still, he is still awesome, and when we see things through his point of view, we see he does think about some more serious things. And I think it’s a bit harsh to wish that Leo stayed dead. He had to fulfill his promise. He had to give Calypso a chance. Plus, he had just fallen in love, and he needed to live to see that he doesn’t always have to be the third wheel. We couldn’t have calypso be abandoned again, to have her heart broken again. They need that happy ending.

      As for Jason, I can’t help it. I love him. When he died I died to. Yep, I’m talking to you from beyond the grave. I’m an einherjar now. Anyways, Jason needs to come back. I know a lot of characters have come back, but we need Jason. Plus, not all of our characters have come back. In the Titans Curse, Zoë and Bianca died. Later Silena, Beckendorf, Phoebe, Celyn, Naomi, Lee Fletcher, Castor, Michael Yew, and many others died. Then you think of all the grief Jason’s death caused. Think of how much pain that must have caused for Piper, Thalia, Nico, Reyna, Leo, the other seven. Even little kids in Camp Jupiter that had heard of him and had made him their hero. I understand what you mean but for me, Jason’s death was traumatizing. If Leo had stayed dead that would have been too much.

      Sigh, I suppose in dead now so it shouldn’t matter, but it still does. Very much so. I only have one friend so I get very emotionally attached to characters; they become my only friends. Anyways, that is all to say; I would like Jason to come back.

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    • Percy was never mature for his age, then again he was never immature either. He knew how to handle situations and didn’t always let his emotions get the best of him. That’s what I liked about PJO Percy, he wasn’t perfect. He was often pessimistic and a little unsure if himself at times too. Yet he grew to be confident and sometimes a little cocky and his humour was the best. The only reason Rick probably changed his character so drastically was because of Jason.

      Jason as the serious one. Now we can’t have Percy being a little mature while Jason is present can we? Guess what, Percy’s now a goofball and also, unbeatable btw. Jason is mature and serious. Something Percy was until Jason’s character was brought up.

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